"The Open Way" with Cory Bright

STAY AWARE!
NONDUALITY BULLSHIT COMING BELOW!!
GET OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY!

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THE OPEN WAY website will have many clear categories.  Each can be quite distinct from one another. There are areas for pure direct sharing, areas to bullshit where the bullshitting can be potentially valuable and areas just to have fun. Areas, seemingly more directly nondual and areas seemingly less directly nondual and areas embraced that just simply appear to allow for space to be...even relatively.
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This area will probably be somewhere in between. Yet I will be clear, in which categories, the bullshitting appears to end and I know you will sense that naturally anyway.
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I call it nondual bulshit because of the seemingly endless nondual back and forth bantor that never ceases and seems to reinforce duality!! But that is not the whole truth here. If you read between the lines in some of the text and do not get to "positional" about your point of view, then there is certainly some value and potential openings as awareness here.
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One never knows what triggers a sense of openess and even in the midst of bantor there are wise words.... and also words that, even though they sound nondual, can lead down an endless path of nondual concepts apparantly working with each other or opposing each other.
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IAM just sharing this to allow ones to be aware of this nondual positional identification. If read openly, and not so postional, then two things can appear. 1) - It can be entertaining, like watching a movie...  2) - and/or it can have value in that a word, a sentence that is picked out as a pointer just might be the right nondual ingredient to bust wide open, your limited notions of life...including this forum!!! LOL
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Anyway, it is what it is and enjoy it in the most true context of what it is..... NONDUAL BULSHIT!!!    HAVE FUN!!! LOL
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NOTE: THE SAME POTENTIAL HOLDS TRUE FOR OUR OPEN WAY FORUM.  ( I WILL USE THIS INTRO THERE TOO!) STAY TUNED AS MORE CATAGORIES APPEAR TO ARISE ON THIS WEBSITE, WHERE THE BULLSHIT APPEARS AND WHERE IT APPEARS THAT NONDUAL INTEGRITY IS MAINTAINED, WILL BE CLEARLY DEFINED.
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IMPORANT NOTE: ......AND KEEP IN MIND, FROM THE ULTIMATE AWARENESS...ALL WORDS ARE BULSHIT!!!   AND YET STILL...IRONICALLY...GOOD POINTERS CAN BE CLEAR AND WORK... A RELATIVE EXPRESSION THAT POINTS BEYOND, OUT OF RELATIVITY (DUALITY) SO SHARE WHATEVER IS ON YOUR MIND IN THE APPROPRIATE CATAGORIES. 
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AGAIN BELOW IS AN EDITED FORUM STYLE RECREATION FROM SHARINGS OF THE OPEN WAY WITH "OTHERS".... CLASSIFIED AS NONDUAL BULLSHIT! TO INTERACT AND HENCE BECOME MORE IMMERSED IN BULLSHIT...OR  TO PIERCE THROUGH OR DRAW FROM THE INTERACTION... CLARITY!!  WHO KNOWS?? 
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TO STEP INTO THE BULLSHIT AND PERHAPS GAIN CLARITY AS WELL!!....LOL...GO TO THE OPEN WAY FORUM! AND IMMERSE "YOURSELF" IN THAT PLAY!
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BLESSINGS
BE FREE
CORY
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It can be very enlightening to watch this video as well prior to sharing here to shed some "light" on positions and openess in this context of sharing!.....to Bullshit with some more clarity!! lol...or find clarity that it is Bullshit!! lol....    called Open vs Closed,,,,,,   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmqu0d1NRgM&feature=channel_page

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!
AND MAY THEY POINT THE WAY OUT OF THEM!
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THE OPEN WAY:
NO SUBJECT NO OBJECT AND .......
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As an apparant balance to long responses, I would love to share here what THE OPEN WAY is about....
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Thankyou
Blessings
Be Free
Cory
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JOHN:
THE OPEN WAY SITE looks very good!

He said there that we all want freedom. I think, yes, but we find it doesn't matter what we want. Openness encompasses everything and the wanting drops away. Openness is where it's at! Very good!
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THE OPEN WAY:
THE OPEN WAY WEBSITE AND LANGUAGE
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Hellooo JOHN and ALL!,

I will write a simple sharing here in response to your statement! However, soon, I would like to share a bit more here or elsewhere in response, because your question ironically leads beautifully into a sharing of what THE OPEN WAY is as it is shared in two apparant ways as one arising.

I can already see here that it will not be so simple (as in short) as expected, so you are going to get a bit "more" than you expected!! So Congratulations!!I You are the first unasking recipient of perhaps more than you care to hear!! !! Often my responses are short, simple, clear....., yet this is a nice opportunity for introduction as well.

IAM new to this forum and new on the "scene". So your question flows into a sharing that I could perhaps use as a response elsewhere or part of an initial sharing of what THE OPEN WAY is....and yet, it all in some way really addresses to your statement. So thankyou.!

And I have a feelin, that there will be some explainin (sharing) to do to all the "pure nondualists",and your question is the first hint of that and IAM excited to clarify! Pure nonduality can also be just a concept arising in the openness. Especially, when apparantly "owned" can appear to create seperateness, no difference from anything else akin that arises. AND yet , interestingly, we never relatively really know what anything is for or where it will lead!! At least we appear to be facing in the right direction. And yet, as I stated to Claudia. Is there in truth a "right" or "wrong" direction. Or any direction or location at all!! And "who" cares!!! (Cliche- Had to say it, everyone does)


So anyway.....FINALLY AN ANSWER TO YOUR STATEMENT You say:

I think, yes, but we find it doesn't matter what we want. Openness encompasses everything and the wanting drops away. Openness is where it's at! Very good!

YES! YES Absolutey. ,YES! YES!! What you shared is absolutely true!! (as far as words appear to go). Thankyou for your (the) clarity!!! Appears to start from a false premise of indivuality too!!! Who is the "we" that identifies with wanting freedom?? Absolutely the key as liberation is that our individual want is just a story arising now about how we think we should be... who we think we are...an adopted concept no doubt....and can appear to potentially reinforce a false notion of a seperate self. ( who we are in truth is just this mysterious openness/awareness)

SO:

NOW THE CONTEXT IN WHICH THE SENTENCE ON THE OPEN WAY WEBSITE WAS MEANT:

Just change the line: We all want freedom...to ....We all want freedom in the apparant story we call our lives. (Actually I wrote ..We all yearn for freedom which has a little different flavor to it) ) The way I initially wrote it is because THE OPEN WAY "also" wants to share in a context for ones that are not as nondual language savy or aware (of no self) in the same way as we (apparantly) are. So that is out of love and inclusiveness!

Interestingly , I dispell the notion of the personal wanting in the next paragraph as well if you read carefully. There is more to share in this way as THE OPEN WAY "appears" (only appears) to be a mixed nondual bag!! So that is how that line seems out of context...you hit on something that will inevitable come up, so happy to share a little on that now. The love is the true sharing, liberation, openness, freedom. Not the explanation, (like the details of how and why it is shared that way) however that is inevitably part of sharing for clarity. And has it's place as we are so engrained with our perspectives, perceptions etc.

So there will be a part on the website that soley clears this up. And most of the other parts will be pure love of sharing what is true as openness, freedom, liberation. There will be different areas of sharing for clarity so you will just have to check out the website ,as it expands,to see. No concerns... as the beauty and simplicity of what is true will not be lost in a cosmic sea. That is why the website will be in clear sections as to what is specifically shared and where.

And thankyou again...I will definitely change that first sentence to the above one, as I now see it can be shared more clearly without losing the communication The makeshift website was put together fast and there are also some other apparant inconsistencies. IAM now first starting to open up and expand the sharing and give some attention to detail and I look forward to your honest feedback and sharing. And mostly, fostering or pointing to an honest true opening, doubtless awareness beyond the pointers of opinions!!

Writings, books, videos, audios of "me" and other mostly nondual teachers will be shared. We have gatherings that I would like to expand around the world. Starting in Florida and California! THE OPEN WAY is also a doorway (Forum) in genreal for other open teachers and sharings as well. Links to teachers and forums like this one (now-for-you). An OPEN WAY forum so ones can share. Radio show, internet and via airways are also shortly to come. Much is dependent on donations for now and yet it is a love and joy to share as is. And fun to see what appears to arise out of it. Whatever arises.

So this sharing is more about basic information and apparant structure. Will add more details (and sharing of nonduality or openness as well) on THE OPEN WAY website soon.

So your short statement did not seem to warrant this long answer, AND yet this allowance of sharing who IAM is appreciated!! Thankyou for giving me the opportuniy to sway from your quesion somewhat and address it as well in the form of sharing about THE OPEN WAY. This is perfect and could not be otherwise.

More to share if you like. Otherwise, I have written much here and will post elsewhere if you like. And of course."I" am not the "ONE" that knows! Apparant knowing arises and we play the game of you know and I don't!! So nothing special here. (Out there)

If we correspond again....please to let me know if you would like a short simple sharing as I will honor that. I initially thought that is what this would be.

So again, more to share posted here or elsewhere. Well thankyou..now I can use this to copy and paste if there are any questions from others that realate to this. Yes, it happened to appear that "I" "used" your statement to write a little introduction. I hope you do not mind and that your statement was responded to properly. I see this in the light of support from you as well. It is not a one way street. I can feel your spirit and know you are OK with that. We all share, love and open together. And yet, who we are is beyond even that. I trust that this was enjoyable for you!!

Thankyou.

blessings
be free
Cory
SHARON: Welcome, Cory,

Your site looks really great. I am glad that you have joined us.
 
THE OPEN WAY: Oh. Bless you. Thankyou. IAM touched

blessings
Cory
 
CAROL: The guy who runs this site may join the fray soon here.

He cautions that the site is not complete but eventually
plans to have all that's promised up and running, including
a radio show.

Sounds pretty darned cool!
 
THE OPEN WAY: Thankyou Carol... this is fun!!

For info.... THE OPEN WAY website will share books, videos, audios, writings, forums, gatherings, radio show, of me and many others, mostly nondual oriented......yet more than this "stuff" ...is the love and openness and blessings that we truly are! As the illusion/appearance of who we think we are is seen through!

OOOOH How wonderful!

So keep checking the website to see what appears!

And I will post here accordingly.

And will sporadically find the time to post and respond here (when able) as it arises in the apparant now moments!! IAM saying there can potentially be lag time.

blessings
Cory 
CAROL; Welcome, Cory!!

*waving*
 

THE OPEN WAY: Thank you. What a great forum and system you have here!

love
cory

 JOHN: Cory! Don't change a thing! I think it's great. There is definitely the same wavelength going on in 'you' that I see in 'me'! Openness is the key! THE OPEN WAY: WOW!! That is great!!! Thankyou. Bless you!

Amazing...isn't it!!!

love
cory
 HAROLD: Well, I'll share a good brand of decaf if you'll share what you drink! Once in a while I need a good pick-me-up, might help me post more or something.. 
THE OPEN WAY: EXCLLENT!! We all appear to do what we do!! And if it arises for you in that way, wow, a beautiful expression of an apparant seperate indivdual!! It can simply be a story in your mind about who you are or even who IAM. See that!! And there will be no "need" to post. Just an enjoyable expression of love with no need to read into anything!! How free and clear THAT is. This is love.

It is extraordinary!! And yet....it is OK. Even if we appear to need a fix.. so what... part of the play of life...it is an extraordinary phenomena. .....happening to no one! Awareness of that allows for seeing it for what it is. Even when it appears that we lose our way and need to recapture it through posting, drink or whatever. Just a temporary fascination perhaps. Yet....what a blessing see through it all...free and clear! Even as "it" appears to happen. Do you see what I mean. If so....whooooo hooooo!!

Yes... I get the humor in this as well!!.... all of this!!

Blessings
Cory
 HAROLD: Umm, yes - except to express anything on the board there needs to be posts. Of course we don't have to do it on the board, there's any other number of ways to do it - although I do enjoy it. I don't know if you've checked out the other posts on here but you might want to do a little sampling here and there - of course there is no "need" for that either.  
THE OPEN WAY: There is no right or wrong here .. So IAM sorry if it came across that way...and just to share... I did not mean "no need to post" ..literally. I was aiming at the fact that posting appears to be enjoyed more when "needs" as a sense or lack are seen for what they are. (Not necessarily saying that is personally the case for you.)

And yet, we never know where that sense of lack may lead. And, the sense of lack is just what is arising beyond "our" control. Seeing this is liberation. There are infinite variables, relatively, and so it is an illusion that we even have any control over those outcomes. So keep posting and relatively, the preference is to do that enjoyable....or not. Either is OK..(Ironically...seeing this OKness without owning it... is liberation too!) I prefer not to go back and forth, (just a preference) so I hope my sharings can be simpler and simpler, clearer and clearer. Direct....with the key awareness of..."who cares". This too is arising NOW as an apparent back and forth. (It's OK!) And can ironically appear to lead to liberation ...WHO KNOWS! All from a question about posting!! LOL

Blessings
Cory
 
ANDREW: hi cory,
this is from your site: quote:
Love and freedom exist as the natural state of being!!


this is something i picked up somewhere:
If I've never been bound, I can never be liberated.
How could you think that the Self,
Is restricted to formlessness or imprisoned in form.

welcome
love your energy!
THE OPEN WAY: Yes... I would like to just to sit with that. Often too much is said.

One statement: I will add to your quote... Even the statement, "Love and Freedom exist as the natural state of being" can appear to be a thought of formlessness. So in a sense, love and freedom is nothing and everything when no thought or concept owns it.

Too much was said already!!!!

Thankyou
and Thankyou for your "welcome"
Cory
is,

ANDREW: i love that word
you could have stopped the sentence there...
..."So in a sense, love and freedom is"
THE OPEN WAY: Thankyou!ANDREW: Cory wrote:

I do not want to feed the fire in debate so I hope my sharings can be simpler and simpler, clearer and clearer.
you haven't met frank yet,
whatever you say,
he'll take great pleasure in being against it!
THE OPEN WAY: I hope he gets much joy in playing that role. Perhaps there are some good pointers there too! There always are anyway in the mirror of life. All of it is showing us who we think we are.

It all comes down to seeing..or not seeing honestly ... then words are spoken. We can kid ourselves going back and forth... or enjoy ourselves going back and forth!! When awareness is.... there is no need to prove...it all arises (ususally joyfully) NOW. For no one!! And is really laughable.... the sublte identities that arise!

What I share is not "THE ANSWER". And all of this, even me saying how truth is a certain way... If looked at clearly... it just arises. This is liberation!! Then we want to grab it...and make it ours!! Another arising tht is not right or wrong.

And I think taking a good hard look and seeing there is no one, no "me" doing it. It is just a thought, story of "me" arising. This is clear seeing. Then no "ONE. is here to apparantly defend a spiritual point of view. Life simply appears to arise as "points of view" and it is not "who we are". Do not take this as another concept to agree with of not. LOOK!! And it is clear. Really worth it to STOP, relax, soften, and take a good honest looking. Isn't that when it always appears to "hit". When we get off the spiritual defense wagon, the apparant personal use of it.

Even saying teachers are full of crap. Look honestly at your "Self". Is there a sublte sense of a boundary when saying that. Or need to be right? True honestly with that cannot be replaced. And when seen, will not arise as any subtle form of defense. Even if it does, in the light of clarity is allowed and seen as not who you are. Just a thought arising.

Every word can have this sublte boundary, defensiveness.. when saying anything, even the most true of the truest statements..calling people on thier crap! So let go!! And see honestly. Or subltey get sucked in. You really know honestly inside when there is contraction or openess!

Do not listen to "me". IAM full of crap if there is any concept of who I think IAM in relation to this. A subtle trap. ...... It just is. WOW, freedom is so wonderful... especially when "we" don't creep in and claim it. Just stay FREE and SEE!

Well,that is all the crap for today! Enjoy

This sharing can go under the category of long preachy answers that do not relate to the lighthearted statement responded too!! Just happen to be in that mode of sharing today. IAM not is simpler and cleared mode today. It is elaboration for clarity mode. ... It all drops away anyway.

There appears to be the explanative Cory and the WOW blow "me" away..it is so simple Cory...both are allowed and loved.

Bless you!! It is fun to laugh at ourselves!!! There is great wisdom in laughter!!

Warning - I will not defend anything I said! Too much of a joke to do so seriously!

blessings
Cory
I hope he gets much joy in playing that role. Perhaps there are some good pointers there too! There always are anyway in the mirror of life. All of it is showing us who we think we are.

It all comes down to seeing..or not seeing honestly ... then words are spoken. We can kid ourselves going back and forth... or enjoy ourselves going back and forth!! When awareness is.... there is no need to prove...it all arises (ususally joyfully) NOW. For no one!! And is really laughable.... the sublte identities that arise!

What I share is not "THE ANSWER". And all of this, even me saying how truth is a certain way... If looked at clearly... it just arises. This is liberation!! Then we want to grab it...and make it ours!! Another arising tht is not right or wrong.

And I think taking a good hard look and seeing there is no one, no "me" doing it. It is just a thought, story of "me" arising. This is clear seeing. Then no "ONE. is here to apparantly defend a spiritual point of view. Life simply appears to arise as "points of view" and it is not "who we are". Do not take this as another concept to agree with of not. LOOK!! And it is clear. Really worth it to STOP, relax, soften, and take a good honest looking. Isn't that when it always appears to "hit". When we get off the spiritual defense wagon, the apparant personal use of it.

Even saying teachers are full of crap. Look honestly at your "Self". Is there a sublte sense of a boundary when saying that. Or need to be right? True honestly with that cannot be replaced. And when seen, will not arise as any subtle form of defense. Even if it does, in the light of clarity is allowed and seen as not who you are. Just a thought arising.

Every word can have this sublte boundary, defensiveness.. when saying anything, even the most true of the truest statements..calling people on thier crap! So let go!! And see honestly. Or subltey get sucked in. You really know honestly inside when there is contraction or openess!

Do not listen to "me". IAM full of crap if there is any concept of who I think IAM in relation to this. A subtle trap. ...... It just is. WOW, freedom is so wonderful... especially when "we" don't creep in and claim it. Just stay FREE and SEE!

Well,that is all the crap for today! Enjoy

This sharing can go under the category of long preachy answers that do not relate to the lighthearted statement responded too!! Just happen to be in that mode of sharing today. IAM not is simpler and cleared mode today. It is elaboration for clarity mode. ... It all drops away anyway.

There appears to be the explanative Cory and the WOW blow "me" away..it is so simple Cory...both are allowed and loved.

Bless you!! It is fun to laugh at ourselves!!! There is great wisdom in laughter!!

Warning - I will not defend anything I said! Too much of a joke to do so seriously!

blessings
Cory
ANDREW: hey cory,Cory wrote: WOW, freedom is so wonderful... especially when "we" don't creep in and claim it. Just stay FREE and SEE!
is there such a thing as freedom?
i'm not arguing there may be an experience of it
but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom
is to know bondage
and both sound like the opposite ends of a dualistic experience
what do you think?
ANDREW: oops, sorry Cory,

I thought i knew something but clearly i was mistaken
Quote:
If we retain even the smallest notion of truth or falsehood, our minds sink into confusion.

Master Taisen Deshimaru
THE OPEN WAY:
Firstly....we know nothing!!! Yes, freedom as a relative experience cannot be without it's opposite. No such thing as true freedom as a concept. (Do not make that into a concept either!) Anything said can apparantly be reduced to a concept with an opposite. Very true..Thankyou. And yet, who is taking it as a concept and apparantly doing something with it! I think you have a point though. My wording today does not appear to be precise enough to cut through illusory postions. Perhaps, some of what I wrote today will cut through the back and forth, the concepts proving themselves. . Not that there is anything wrong with that. So I will stop here.... and share again soon on this as clarity. When there is apparantly more "time".

Just stay free and see.. can also appear as a relative statement... this is where words can "appear" to get in the way. It is not a credo! The sharing, when not taken conceptually can be looked at as not trying to get somewhere or to an ideal of what freedom is. But to just to see where they point to. My languaging was not the best...to clarify that at this time.... will do so again at another moment!

Blessings
Be Free
Cory
THE OPEN WAY: OK. THIS IS THE MOMENT! "I" apparantly hit the refresh button!! Clarity speaks!! Yet remains silent and shares the video below which is enough!! Enjoy!!

All the nonduality that "appears" like dualistic expressions is clarified here. Apparantly picking out dualistic tendencies in expressions is on the mark no doubt. But it is just the words you are pointing to and perhaps would enjoy taking a clear look and see if this does not create a perpetual fixing as well. Do not know if that is true for you and would prefer that it is not taken personally. We all appear to do it!!

This clarity is shared to ALL. Not by anyone, and nobody even just said that either!! Does that coever all bases? Or is it perpetual?

So now, apparant correction occurs out of clarity and perhaps enjoyment. No perpetual fixing dualisitc tendecies! Can rest!!! And sharing......happens! (apparently).
Wish I did not always have to say apparantly but in truth "I"..... AM not saying it!! And "I" never shared anything. It is hoped that ALL apparant avenues to alleviated dulaistic tendencies is covered.

But who hopes that and what is coverd. Who cares who hopes that just let it be. Is there a you and letting it be? Let what be? We do not control anything, All just arises. Says "WHO"? Arises as opposed to what?? Who wants to know the question arises as opposed to what? Does any of this even mean anything? WHy...should it NOT mean anything. Does THAT mean something to you? Why this urgency to explain if all is freedom?? Oh, explaining just arises but for no one. Oh is that "your" philosophy. Philosophy for who, is that not just another dualisitic comment. What do "you" have to prove. Who do you think you are? "Who" is asking who do I think IAM.

lol

There is an appearance of an individual easily getting sucked into all this.

Could not resist that last paragraph as a joke (and sharing message) for ALL. It all STOPS with undeniable clear seeing. And...it is not said that it HAS to stop.

(Please ....no perpetual comments on that statement)

Nice if "others watch this video too. It is so key that I think I will copy and paste this and make it the first post that "I" actually initiate on now-for-you!.

THE THREAD FOR SCOTT KILOBY VIDEO IS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2pCT3BDB1E&feature=related watch part 1 too!

LOOK OPENLY WITHOUT TAKING POSITION AND CLARITY OCCURS!!

So now all that can be shared here in response to your statement which follows:

is there such a thing as freedom?

i'm not arguing there may be an experience of it

but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom

is to know bondage

and both sound like the opposite ends of a dualistic experience

what do you think?


THE RESPONSE IS THAT THIS QUESTION ONLY ARISES AS A THOUGHT IDENTIFIED WITH FOR AN ILLUSORY SEPERATE SELF!! Watch the video and this can be clear!

ONE MORE THING!!: NO MATTER WHAT IMAGE ARISES ABOUT YOUR PAST POSTINGS OR LIFE. IT IS ALWAYS JUST A THOUGHT ARISING NOW ABOUT WHO YOU ARE. THIS IS FREEDOM....NOT FROM SOMETHING..ALL IS AS IS......ALWAYS IS.... AND IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT FREEDOM IS THE NATURAL STATE!! HIT THE REFRESH BUTTON! IT WILL JUST APPEAR TO HAPPEN THAT WAY ANYWAY, WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO OR NOT!

Here is a quote that Scott Kiloby just send me as a sharing on this topic: He put very clearly and concisely what IAM looking to share here!

My sense is that freedom is the opposite of bondage, but only to dualistic thought, which you seem to be saying. Nonduality is beyond that (but includes that) dualism. So there is a freedom that the dualistic mind can never know. You call it openness. That's as good a word as any. Every words has a dualistic opposite so no word is 'it.' The mind can stay trapped in these dualisms forever, like being caught in a hall of mirrors or a rat going around a wheel. The intellect will never grasp 'This' as you know. It will only get caught in words, missing what the words are pointing to. The mind just likes to take positions and argue with those that don't agree. That is its goal. That is what it is supposed to do. But words can point the mind out of its positions about nonduality, and into an openness that is not a position. Thanks, good hearing from you.

From Cory - This is as clear as a statement on this as there can be! Let us read it with openness and earnestness.
And know that it is ALL in the openness to direct seeing that quesitons and doubts do not arise.

Blessings
Cory
www.theopenway.org
BRIAN: Cory wrote: You really know honestly inside when there is contraction or openess!Yep, that's the key, regardless of how it appears on the "outside". Cory wrote: Well,that is all the crap for today! Enjoy

slurp... slurp...slurp... BELCH! Ahhhhhh. *looks around* That's all
Cory Wrote: This sharing can go under the category of long preachy answers that do not relate to the lighthearted statement responded too!! Just happen to be in that mode of sharing today

Or it could be... just fine as it is. Share away. Thanks.
Cory Wrote: Bless you!! It is fun to laugh at ourselves!!! There is great wisdom in laughter!!

Yes!
Cory Wrote: Warning - I will not defend anything I said! Too much of a joke to do so seriously! Will you do it non-seriously then?
THE OPEN WAY: Anything can "appear" to happen... SO keep an "I" out and enjoy!!
cory

 BRIAN: Ouch, that might hurt!


BRIAN:Andrew worte;  i'm not arguing there may be an experience of itCory, please say hello to our resident professor Andrew. He will now teach you about freedom.Andrew wrote: but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom

is to know bondage
In his spare time, Andrew enjoys a bit of Andrew wrote: and both sound like the opposite ends of a dualistic experienceunlike the non-dualistic "experience". Duh!
THE OPEN WAY:  (AND FOR ANDREW) THANKYOU BLUE!! THAT IS GREAT!! I STATED EARLIER,..EITHER SEEING IS... OR NOT. IN TRUTH IT NEVER LEFT. SO EASY NOT TO LOOK AT WHAT WORDS ARE "POINTING" TO. CLARITY SHOWS... NO PROBLEM HERE.

THE CORACLE... A/K/A CORY

 
THE OPEN WAY:  It was suggested somewhere here in this forum that "i" share more "stuff" lol ... so here it is!!1.. . more stuff!
THE OPEN WAY.. open sharing with friends and Scott Kilogy link:
You asked for it! More stuff!! Enjoy in the lightest open way. Again, I will not defend any of this as who IAM. It is only a thought in awarness NOW. Not even a real past! It is in the category of clarity as to what THE OPEN WAY is. Not under.. "pure direct sharing".

I will not give Scott's response but paraphrase it here: He simply replied to my statement that: Usually nondualists are either relative or such purists, but that puritism also becomes a nondual ideal and not true nondual openness.
and Scott said "That is the key..isn't it". And also said that he can feel the honest, open, sharing of my website and to continue sharing openly like that. And he also said.... "Words flow freely"!!

That is really cool!! This whole forum can be seen as a "free" arising as well when there is clarity that no one owns it...it is all a joy!! An apparant happening AS IS! And yet within the play... we share, we appear to correct etc. That can have apparant valuable perhaps and be freeing or and "apparant trap" and still.....words flow freely!... in truth regardless - never forgeting the arising in "free awareness" that it truly is )

OK here it is below: Your openness and availablity to share with is a blessing...thankyou. Remember, this whole apparant precription I have about how "IT" is .... is known as part of the "Appearance"! THat is the enjoyable play!! And yet points beyond as well!! Read...and then move on!!


Hi Scott,

Just wanted to share this email that I have shared with some "nondual" friends with you as many do not understand the inclusiveness of apparant mixed dualistic sharings. All your sharings bring great clarity and yet I chose the "Life Living Itself" one to share with friends because it sheds some clarity on sharings that occur "here". Otherwise, I find your other videos even more direct! And I ordered your book as well.

This sharing here arises out of nondual awareness and yet it is found interesting, even relatively, the potential of other paths having the opportunity to embrace this as well or not.

So while there is really no subscription to any path, And a knowing that freedom is not dependant on a vested intierest in others "getting it"... the listed ones on my website are a way of simply saying to them..."IAM here" and if this nondual expression resonates...then wonderful and if not, fine. And also for what is stated in the below email as well.

My website is a little more tangible as it shares specifically some mixed dualistic paths as well. No need to resist that and yet they are not fully subscribed to as well. Partally a means of directing attention as well as a love and allowance of the appearances. The ones (paths) that support, nurture and allow for openness, oneness, even relatively are enjoyable and satisfying in that way but of course that enjoyment is not exclusive to any other "arisings". And ultimately there is no getting around what true liberation is!!!

I am a bit surprised at this detailed explanation here and yet it is seen as simply another arising thought. No need for confirmation as liberation is what it is. I think there is just a curiousity as to the resonance I feel between your sharing and mine which just arises beautifully as what it is with no ownership.

So my makeshift website which is just a page on a friends site for now is

www.theopenway.org

IAM in the process of enhancing it with some sharings and audio/video from me as well as others, etc. Would love to put yours there too!! All from honest openness without potentially making an ideal or mockery of it!!

Thankyou for your sharings... they are remarkable and really part of a recent group of clear expressions that leave no where to go. Only to be extrordinarily ordinarily free as awareness-obviously not identified with the erronous thoughts (of I) that arise.

I honor the pure expressions that do not allow to apparantly go off on tangents with other ideas or paths as well. (A seeker of something out there (nondual,whatever) causing apparant seperation now). And when whollly explained, my sharing actually gears toward not allwoing that either. As a matter of fact, it is the direct expressions that is what allows clarity "here"!! How apparantly ironic!! So nothing, in truth ,is added to anything as a spiritual expression as there is nowhere to go and this is it!! And yet...THE OPEN WAY happens/arises!! As an interesting phenomena not identified with too seriously. And yet this "journey" is enjoyed.

Well,....the core of my sharing usually does not have this subtle feel of justifying (the below email too) but your video just struck that cord.....so I guess I will just move on with it!!

Thankyou again for the sharings. Any comments and sharings from you on this in any form are truly welcome. And again, ironically, this apparantly justifying explanation mode is not the usual mode of sharing here. The intention is not to suck you into that. But knowing the absolute joy of liberation! Which is seen here much as described in a chapter of your book that shares a story of openness (apparant experience). That is seen here all too well!!

Below is the email sent to some freinds:

Email to freinds:
The following explanation/sharing is simply an arising thought which is just happening!! Just thought it interesting to share. No one...will "defend" it!!! It is understood that your expression would probably simplify this and that is beautiful. I look forward to seeing you again very soon!

Hi Clara,

Excited to share this video as it comes the closest to how I share THE OPEN WAY as "integration without compromise" that I have come across. Not exactly the way I would express it however.

Usually nondualists are either relative or such purists, but that puritism also becomes a nondual ideal and not true nondual openness. I will not bother elaborating here becuase you know I can go on with it extensively. ...But why.... So enjoy it and I hope there is some interesting clarification and opening here!!

It might be the first time I heard it expressed in quite this open way and that is exciting. And no compromise as awareness that we are. And no "one" to compromise!

So I thought this was a unique expression, one that really.. I have only seen expressed in this way by THE OPEN WAY/"me". Yet in my expression there are some more variables in the inclusiveness of the arising apparant spiritual paths as thoughts in awareness now. All of what is true, certainly transcends any point of view as "my" expression anyway.... or how "I" go about it as THE OPEN WAY and all. As "my" expression arises only in/as it. And is in truth not even "mine". As it is only a concept that I own it or that even the "I" is who IAM in truth.. (More words to perhaps confuse you!!)

Well, that's it. Choose to watch or not. It might not seem dynamic or mind blowing and actually at first, I would not watch him because his mannerisms seem a little neurotic and stressed. Yet that is just a perception. And now I see his clarity primarily and his expression simply as the way his personality continues to emote.

Liberation does not always appear as smiles and vacant stares!! That is the beauty of this apparant diversity and true liberation which allows (apparantly) all to "be"!!

Yes indeed, will step down off soapbox now. Amazing clarity has arisen here and apparant loss of it sometimes and yet it is known that the apparant loss arises only in the amazing clarity!!! As a thought of loss only and not actuality. And so liberation is never truly lost.

I am happy for this video because it is often misunderstood that THE OPEN WAY expression of nonduality has compromised something by being apparantly inclusive and allowing in apparant support of the arisings of spiritual paths.

While it's goal is not necessarily to empower limitations within these paths. (those that do not "see the whole picture") ,it would like to encourage and enhance what is powerfully nondual to the (apparaent) degree that they arise within them,

If that comes in the form of clarification and correction of identification with limitation in spirituality..then beuatiful. If it comes as an allowance and love of the appearance "as is" well...JUST AS BEAUTIFUL.... is this play of diversity. And when it is simply happening without the illusion of the self center idenified with it...well.... the beauty goes beyond even the one that appreaciates it!!! The free awareness is and always is... and again, if that manifests as an apparant person enjoying that.... well...that is a relative allowance that THE OPEN WAY just loves to play the game of support with!!!

Note: I think Obama's speech got me going tonight!!!

So I will spare you now ( with what might sound really abstract perhaps)... after all is said, you potentially might not even like the video!! Or what I shared for that matter!! And I actually can understand why (much explanation mode in video) .... yet..check out the video at:

http://www.kiloby.com/ and click the LIfe LIving Itself video!

Coming across many more cool sharings lately while knowing none of them are needed as "the Answer" for what is already who IAM. And yet these sharings (videos) still arise and are enjoyed.

Blessings
HAROLD:  You talk funny.
THE OPEN WAY:     nonduality talk can sound funny and foreign and abstract until true seeing occurs!! It is languaging for ones who are open to sharing and see what is true and is used in this forum only!! Are you sure you are in the right place/forum?? if the intention is to "see" then it does not sound funny and can be very freeing. And everyone has a right to have their own filters. It is meant for ears that can hear. That understand this apparant abstraction. One man's confusion is another man's clarity.
 
HAROLD:        
Hmm, so your understanding of "ears that can hear" requires a special kind of languaging? Why bother if the rest of the time you use normal language? Do you really believe you need special language to convey this? Or is it a matter of ears that can hear, in spite of the language used? I guess that's why I don't bother saying "I'm just playing" because I figure it's a matter of hearing..

Have fun with the language, not big on it myself but I'm sure you'll find others who like to play that game.
THE OPEN WAY:    You are beautifully subtle. Never quite know where you are coming from. I could answer every statement you made with clear answers. but what is the sense. Just to reinforce positions. If you urgently need answers, then I will answer if you like. I do not sense you are in this forum for that. Perhaps there are others that DO want to play that way here...so have fun. Perhaps I came on a little strong in response to you because I do not believe the sharing was heard or understood or that you are really interested and you do not need to be. Your answer showed that.

So enjoy the forum

And have fun doing what you do.

BRIAN:  P.S. Funny interaction with heybuddy. My opinion on it, for what it's worth, is that he has a good point. The way we speak can be more or less accessible to people in general. And I've found that in the past when I've received feedback from others that my communication wasn't easily accessible to them (whether it was the style or the complexity of the message) then it was an opportunity for me to take a closer look at it. I could easily say... "it flows as it flows and I'm not interested in changing it." That's true, perhaps. But sometimes looking closer I could sense a resistance there... like something wanting to dig in and become stubborn. Maybe what comes from a seemingly outside source is there FOR ME as a cue to come closer, to become more accessible, to JOIN more and communicate in such a way that serves rather than alienates.

In reading your messages I can sense what you're saying... but there's also a lot of sifting through. Again, just my take on it. I still "get you" regardless.

THE OPEN WAY:    Yes. Absolutely. IAM new to this forum and came on like a powerhouse. Cleaning up misnomers in every response etc. There is definitely a place for that here for perspective and awareness.

And I do understand the different languaging thing. I agree that I can try to trim the quotes. and I want to soften responses in some way as I mention, simpler, direct etc.

Here is my take on the languaging thing... it appears to work in many ways. When speaking with ones that do not quite get the languaging, it is definietly helpful to use regular terms or even see that there is no need to prove or change ones that don't "get it".

And there is beauty, love and openness in everyone (and every "thing") whether they apparantly get it or not. Just who they are and what they express is a gift!! No one has to change to a nondual point of view. As a matter of fact it is hard to see the beauty of who they are if there is that constant nondual "filter"!!

THhnkyou for the loving way in which you shared. Another thing on the languaging. I think the nondual languaging is key for many "of understanding". They are at a point where other ways of expression are luke warm.and like this direct expression which for others seem abstract or too involved or intellectual sounding. THe bottom line is ..does it foster/share openness.

It is like...ones that speak baseball lingo might find it hard to share with ones that do not understand baseball. And too speak powerfully and see clearly on it, that languaging fits best.

But , yes, freedom is not reserved for a special group of special languaging alone. It is just useful for those that are ready..."in that way".

I think for most people in this forum, even though, yes. it can be trimmed and simplified. The language works and is on target. (Although perhaps, I overwhelmed them bit!!!) And interestingly...it is true. I have found that it can be shared with ones that do not know the languaging. Being really clear in how to fashion the words. Or just being who we are, ..hones , open and loving without the sense of boundary! People pick up on that!

But most of all!! Living life and enjoying life is not about just speaking nonduality. It is moreso about Being and as that being it is wonderful to freely share and be in this world without the old notions of who we thought we were. The freedom in seeing...the flexiblity in enjoying all AS IS.

And of course the knowing the true nature of how it arises. Not as philosophy. This is extraordinary. (Which just happens to be the false sense of "me"/self... that appears to create a false boudnary and restriction on the open awareness that we truly are) . Ironically, we become more alive, even as the personality in this world, as we no longer get in our own way!!

So... who knows how the commication arises or where it is best fit. No hard rules necesarily. And again, more enjoyable to "be" and just share if that is what happens from the joy of being, not the proving to be right about it with the mind. And that is what I mostly started out addressing, was this crucial distinction and ironically appeared to fall into exceesive explaining as well.

Now it might continue, who knows. (and actually has!! here in this response! but this one warrnts that) ....and thankyou for the "greenlgiht!!! But absolutey want it to be from the amazing true loving place that is so clear here. And not from how much "I" know.

I happen to still think that the languaging that I use, although can be trimmed is direct for those that can hear and if we have come this far as to know what nonduality is, then certainly the language serves. So , it is true, we have to realise who we are speaking with. Hey...the topic could be baseball, enoyable and still the openeness is shared because of who you are being..(or arising as).

So to sum up...

Realise who we are speaking to
Have no need to prove... just enjoy "being" the expression when clarity is seen
As that enjoyment, it will be expressed AS IS, however that is, yet usually there is a sensitivity to the apropriate type of expression.
I could go on but won't. It is onlg already...but glad some of this is clered up at least.
I would like to share openely and also enjoy the humor however a constant bantor without openness to honestly see can lead to fixing and constant polarity. If that is felt appropriate here, than fine. I know there are set rules in life. I can enjoy it yet love and opennes can be displace with constant undermining as the intention. I hopw that stays in an appropriate place in this forum within the areas of ones that appreciate that.

I cannot say how long some of my responses will be but will heed this sharing and awareness, for effectiveness in communication. Most of all, to be done out of real love, honesty and openness, truth.. and perhaps that will naturally shorten replies... Who knows... Carry on!! Thankyou for the care and love in which you expressed yourself!

Note: I intentionally wanted your whole quote here prior to my reply.

The interaction with hey buddy was funny!! I reacted and pointed my finger!!...He inevitably had a point in where it lead to but his direct expression was off centered for me. And it is absolutely OK! Can appear to get sucked into personal drama. That is such a game. And can appear to cloud what is true. The game happens, but wonderful to see it from "clarity" Which , here , means, we are not that and we appear to be that. So something was seen "here". Not sure if there is clarity "there", but there does not need to be!

But will look closely at one of the bottom lines, but need not be for everyone...accessability. Just originallly thought that my expression served that and still think it does except for the tirmming, simplicity thing which I can agree with.

Much of what is written here are personal presciptions...and that is OK. And yet pointing beyond the personal is a pure sharing that is sometimes over looked and actually points directly to the source.

Thanks again for your openness and "patience"!!
Blessings
BRIAN:  QUOTE:  I find anymore that life is like a beautiful melody of openness and acceptance... within which appear invitations for change... suggestions... pointers... which are of course part of the melody... whether acted upon or not... and the melody plays on... and is always just as beautiful as before.

ANDREW:    I personally am enjoying very much your contribution to this forum.

As you've noted there are some people who would have "preferences" with regard to how "others" should post

Many people have pee-ed on my parade over the years i've been posting here, so you sorta get used to it

They mean well, it's just a matter of acclimatizing yourself to the general thrust of the group

Having said that, i absolutely and wholeheartedly suggest you continue on as you like and let others take from your posts what they will.

Complete openness and acceptance is not a reality here yet, we're still working on that

ANDREW:    Andrew Quote:  is there such a thing as freedom?

i'm not arguing there may be an experience of it

but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom

is to know bondage

and both sound like the opposite ends of a dualistic experience

what do you think?
THE OPEN WAY Quote:   THE RESPONSE IS THAT THIS QUESTION ONLY ARISES AS A THOUGHT IDENTIFIED WITH FOR AN ILLUSORY SEPERATE SELF!!
Andrew:    great answer!
 BRIAN:
 Andrew wrote: As you've noted there are some people who would have "preferences" with regard to how "others" should post
Brian:    (unlike Ammy who has no such preferences, even though he may communicate such indirectly in a passive aggressive manner)
Andrew wrote:    Many people have pee-ed on my parade over the years i've been posting here, so you sorta get used to it
Brian: Poor Ammy... what he has to endure from the unconscious masses!
Andrew wrote:   They mean well, it's just a matter of acclimatizing yourself to the general thrust of the group
Brian:    Oh yes, the general unenlightened thrust that one is subjected to when one is above it all.
Andrew wrote:    Complete openness and acceptance is not a reality here yet
Brian:     For all DEM OTHERS. Ammy knows because he can tell these things when observing DEM OTHERS.
Andrew wrote:    ... we're still working on that
Brian:    Yeah, Ammy is still working on teaching us. He's slacking though.
ANDREW:     THE OPEN WAY wrote;  THE THREAD FOR SCOTT KILOBY VIDEO IS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2pCT3BDB1E&feature=related
Andrew: i watched the video, it was very good

it reminded me of this:    
The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

ANDREW:   as you can see Cory...

you never know when a huge painbody

is going to clamp down and take a chunk out of your ass lol

 BRIAN:     You know what I find interesting, Ammy, is your perception that this is painbody behavior. Maybe it is. How do we tell? Does painbody look a certain way? Does Presence look a certain way? Does it act a certain way?

One thing I see... or rather sense... is that I felt peaceful while typing the response to you. Yes, I definitely smelled bullshit in your post and the response came as a call to see the bullshit. But I felt peaceful. Am I actually deluded? Was there a painbody reaction and I simply didn't recognize it? That's a possibility, of course, and I'm open to see that.

But it could also be that you see it a certain way that is in error. It could be that you can't see and don't wish to see the bullshit that you spew. Not that it's a problem. And perhaps I'm in your business, erroneously. Am I? I was under the impression you were open to pointers. Perhaps I was wrong. Feel free to correct that perception at any time and I will certainly stop.

And also here, where you quoted me "I find anymore that life is like a beautiful melody of openness and acceptance... within which appear invitations for change... suggestions... pointers... which are of course part of the melody... whether acted upon or not... and the melody plays on... and is always just as beautiful as before."

The way in which you quoted me suggests that what I said here somehow wasn't in line with the response to you. And yet, I see that it applies perfectly.

So... here we are. What say you?
ANDREW:  i say thank you

BRIAN:   Ok cool. In that case I won't hold back on whatever response naturally arises when it comes to you. And feel free not to hold back anything either.

THE OPEN WAY:   "I" will go with that one too Amadeus, (thankyou Blue) Painbody can be a concept too, another story attached to the mysterious arisings! (And even assumes duality). And it is even harder to say for sure whether that is an actuality for an apparant other. If there is apparant relative agreement on it, then perhaps we can act "as if" within the story for communication. Can even be helpful somehow. (Unless it reinforces) But always, as awareness that we make it all up! The ultimate liberation is everthing arising out of nothingness. (nothingess/everthingness) And never really know what anything is!!!!

And...thankyou for the painbody statement. A good laugh, so there "was" some realitve resonance there anyway!


Note: I think the painbody concept from Eckhart Tolle has relative value for many. It loosens the sense of me "for some". (but subtley continues it) Appears to create space to "be" relaltively. And often from there, ones (apparantly) see a possiblility move into "Direct" seeing. All this is in the appearance. Another story that appears to work somewhat relatively. Or another apparant trap (no traps to buy into in truth). But overall, as lvoe, nurturance, support, openness, etc... it appears like good work. All while never forgetting it's true (apparantly) limited nature. MUST STOP HERE!

THE OPEN WAY:    Andrew wrote:   as you can see Cory...

you never know when a huge painbody

is going to clamp down and take a chunk out of your ass

THE OPEN WAY:  FUNNY! lol - came out of left field. and so what!! "who" is going to create a story and hold onto that NOW! Could not have happened any other way! There is no image to uphold? It would only be a thought arising now about who I think IAM. Openness/awareness, the true nature, is untouched. THis is no denial of what "appears" to happen (ie: the painbody concept) and yet clear seeing is "true" and sees it for what it is. So this "ONE" sees through that story and allows whatever arises to "BE" . It sounds like an ideal for comfort (What IAM expressing about illusion of painbody) as it appears that we can so easily fool ourselves using truth as an ideal. But just sharing what is so.

Thankyou for your kind words in the other post and "HERE"!!
Love
Cory

BRIAN:  Continuing the conversation... Thank you Cory. I hear what you're saying about the subtleties... and going past the concepts, even those that are relatively helpful such as that of the Pain Body. At some point the seeing takes us deeper, as you say, into DIRECT seeing. And all simply IS. And without judgment... who knows what anything is for, right? If "I" don't claim it. If "I" don't pull it in, or push it away. If "I" don't identify with it. If "I" don't care what "you" think of it. Then... wisdom reigns. Eh?

THE OPEN WAY:     BEAUTIFULLY SAID - THEN WISDOM/AWARENESS/ALLOWING/OPENNESS REIGNS OR "IS'.

ONE THING TO SHARE - AS YOU WELL KNOW AND AS I STATED. THIS IS ONE WAY THAT IT APPEARS TO WORK WITHIN TIME - AS IN THE "IF.....THEN"" IN YOUR STATEMENT

HOW CAN I SAY IT HERE HMMMM...? OK HERE IT IS....- I HONOR THE RELATIVE APPEARANCE OF EVEN THIS (CANNOT DO OTHERWISE) - AND YET THIS JUST HAPPENS TOO. AND..... WE WILL APPEAR TO PLAY WITHIN THAT RELATIVE FIELD AS WELL. IT APPEARS TO POINT TO TRUE OPENNESS "CLEARER" AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ANYTHING IS FOR?

THIS IS "THE OPEN WAY" (AS IF "THE OPEN WAY" IS A "POSITION" AND I CAN OWN THAT). AND MIGHT NOT BE AGREED WITH BY ONES THAT FEEL....WHY EVEN GO THERE? AND YET I WILL NOT BUY INTO DEFENDING EVEN THIS AS A POSITION! THAT'S ALL!!

NOTE: ONE THING ABOUT THE OPEN WAY - (AND SORRY TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT BUT I FEEL IT IS VALUABLE TO SHARE) - IT SEES THROUGH IT'S OWN GAME AND YET ALSO SAYS - WHY NOT? ....IF IT IS EVEN RELATIVELY SUPPORTIVE, OPENS TO AWARENESS, ALLOWS SPACE TO BE... IT IS GOOD ....AND FALLS WITHIN THIS REALM LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE "DO" AND IS ALLOWED.

WE "APPEAR" TO DO RELATIVELY (ONE ASPECT ACKNOWLEDEGED BY THE OPEN WAY) ..... AND YET THE OPEN WAY POINTERS CAN LEAD OUT OF THE DUALITY "AND" NONDUALITY "TRAP" (AS IF)...AS WELL. THE VALUE OF THE OPEN WAY DEPENDS ON WHERE AWARENESS/ATTENTION/SEEING IS. THERE CAN BE MUCH BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS AND YET POSITIONS "HERE" WILL NOT BE TAKEN. (BUT APPEAR TO).... IT IS OK!!!

THE APPEARANCE OF "THE OPEN WAY" CAN "LOOK" LIKE THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRACY ..OR ...THE ULTIMATE EMBRACING/ INTEGRATION....AND YET IT IS ALSO ALL SEEN AS PART OF THE REALM OF THE "STORY" APPEARING AS WHO WE ARE. AND YET, ONE CAN SUBTLEY COME IN AND DEFEND "ANYTHING"!!!!

I THINK HERE IS WHERE "HONESTY" IS KEY ( OR REIGNS!) AND I MUST SAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS TO 'ULTIMATELY' NOT MAKE "THE OPEN WAY"INTO A POSITION AND SO WILL CONSISTANTLY SHARE CLARITY ON THAT. ("WORDS" INCLUDING "THE OPEN WAY" ARE INHERENTLY POSITIONS AS WELL AND PART OF THIS RELATIVE EXPERIENCE THAT APPEARS IN OPENNESS)

I WOULD LIKE HOWEVER, SUPER CLEAR AWARENESS, NOT TO BUY INTO IT AS "ANOTHER" DOCTRINE. (WHICH INEVITABLY WILL HAPPEN FOR SOME ANYWAY)( AND YES, IT IS ALL OK "AS IS" AS WELL - SEEING THAT ALSO IRONICALLY RELEASES REINFORCED POSITIONS AS DOCTRINES).

WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL THAT THE PULL OF THIS APPARANT WORLD WOULD PREFER TO MAKE THIS INTO ANOTHER RELIGION, DOCTRINE, POSITION. THE OPEN WAY WILL CONSISTANTLY BRING THIS TO AWARENESS AND INHERENTLY DISMANTLE THESE NOTIONS AS WELL.

AGAIN, I KNOW I BROUGHT THE OPEN WAY INTO THE MIX HERE AGAIN, WHICH ACTUALLY NEED NOT BE, YET YOUR GREAT STATEMENT SIMPLY BEGGED FOR THIS KIND OF SHARING AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.

FUTURE RESPONSES WILL SOMETIMES MENTION THE OPEN WAY AND SOMETIMES NOT!! BUT PREFERABLY ALWAYS IN THE LIGHT OF CLARITY.

THE OPEN WAY SHARINGS, ON THE WEBSITE OR WHEREVER WILL HAVE A SECTION FOR EXPLANATIONS SUCH AS THIS. YET THE PURE SHARINGS WILL NOT GO THERE..(AS MUCH). AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE THIS DISTINCTION TO BE CLEAR.

ALL THIS BEING SAID...THERE IS ONE UNDENIABLE TRUTH THAT 'I" KNOW ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE...... I SHOULD NOT HAVE USED CAPS (UPPER CASE) HERE!

THANKYOU FOR HEARING ME OUT! (A BIT LONG - SHARINGS WILL GET SHORTER..I SWEAR!!)

BRIAN:    THE OPEN WAY Wrote;  IT SEES THROUGH IT'S OWN GAME AND YET ALSO SAYS - WHY NOT?

Brian:  I totally love that! Right on! Yes, that's the key. Do we see the game of it while we're playing AND continue to play anyway? Both elements are important... to SEE and to CONTINUE. One thing that's clear to me is that as long as we're "on earth" we're in the game. NOT playing is not an option, despite what we might tell ourselves. And if we believe it is an option to not play then the best we can do is to play the game called "Not Playing the Game"... and then fail to see that we're playing that  

JOHN:    Yes. I love that summation. I don't usually love that actual situation! Sometimes I sincerely wish to not 'play the game' and then I must examine my honesty, to see if I am trying to 'play' other people.

This is coming out to me right now as I type, that there is a difference between having a playful attitude towards life, which is a child-like playing in the sandbox. And then there is the competition driven whose idea of 'play' is only how they can 'play' people or situations to get what they want.

Consciously, I want the sandbox!

THE OPEN WAY: THE VALUE OF THE OPEN WAY DEPENDS ON WHERE AWARENESS/ATTENTION/SEEING IS. THERE CAN BE MUCH BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS AND YET POSITIONS "HERE" WILL NOT BE TAKEN. (BUT APPEAR TO).... IT IS OK!!!

Brian:  Yes... LOL!... the positions will not be taken but appear to... and it's OK! And how can anyone "outside" of us know? They can't. Unless they're in tune, in the same space... and then the inner knowing will alert them. But otherwise, it's all an "inner" phenomenon. We know whether or not we're really taking positions by the feel of the inner body, so to speak. We know when we're open. When we're honest... we know.
THE OPEN WAY:   I THINK HERE IS WHERE "HONESTY" IS KEY ( OR REIGNS!) AND I MUST SAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS TO 'ULTIMATELY' NOT MAKE "THE OPEN WAY"INTO A POSITION

Brian:      Honesty is one key. Yes. But also, sometimes honesty isn't possible when there's no clarity. We can't be honest when the self-delusion completely obscures vision. And that's why I feel a bigger key zunge zeigen is humility. And that's really at the heart of openness, isn't it? Humility says "This perception may be wrong", and "I don't know", and "I'm willing to see".
THE OPEN WAY:  I WOULD LIKE HOWEVER, SUPER CLEAR AWARENESS, NOT TO BUY INTO IT AS "ANOTHER" DOCTRINE.

Brian:   Yes I'd like super clear awareness as well, but the reality of it is that awareness is as it is. It comes when it comes and in the way it comes and to the degree that it comes. And so I guess what I'd like, ultimately, is WHAT IS, awareness or not, remaining open to see but being willing to not see as well. It's not "my" show, after all.
THE OPEN WAY:    ALL THIS BEING SAID...THERE IS ONE UNDENIABLE TRUTH THAT 'I" KNOW ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE...... I SHOULD NOT HAVE USED CAPS (UPPER CASE) HERE!

Brian:  LOL!

LANA:  Why not?

All of life in in capslock isn't it?

BIG, BOLD, BEAUTIFUL, BODACIOUS & mind-BLOWING!

JOHN: I just feel like examining the process for a moment...

It seems like we've been brainwashed our whole lives (by whom is another topic!)
into being separated from who and what we really are.

And we feel somehow lacking, that our life is meaningless, and we're scared.

Someone tells us, or somehow we 'hear' it, that it would be good to become acquainted with the inner self.

So we set out as seekers, looking for tips and tricks, methods to talk with and get to know our inner self.

We alternate from religion to psychology to spirituality to philosophy-- it's all interchangeable, and it all falls short.

Nothing can really tell us who and what we really are.

And people tell us, "Yes, that's right! Only you can discover who you really are!" But we can't make any sense out of that statement.

It seems like nonsense. But we keep at it.

And gradually, the process of opening up to new ideas leads us to just plain 'openness'. Simply 'openness'.

And we open, and open further.

Like a potter on the spinning wheel making a bowl, how big can you make it, to hold everything?

After a time, it is no longer a bowl.

And then you realize that the form you were playing with restrained you, but now you are free.

There is no bowl! There is no bowl! No bowl!

We never were the bowl, but what was inside.

Then we finally have found who and what we are, is everything.

Eternal and infinite!
LANA:    Or, maybe...we are just figures in a snowglobe.

Stir it up, little darlin'......   lol
JOHN:     My kids love these bouncing glitter balls, have you seen them? Shake 'em like snow globes, or bounce them like a ball, either way the glitter flies around inside. Cool!

Simple things for simple minds (not my kids, but myself!)

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