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LET THE GAMES BEGIN!! AND MAY THEY POINT THE WAY OUT OF THEM!
. . THE OPEN WAY: NO
SUBJECT NO OBJECT AND ....... . As an apparant balance to long responses, I would love to share here what THE
OPEN WAY is about....
. . . . . . . . . . .
Thankyou Blessings Be Free Cory . JOHN: THE OPEN WAY SITE looks very good!
He said there that we all want freedom. I think, yes, but we find it doesn't matter what we want. Openness encompasses
everything and the wanting drops away. Openness is where it's at! Very good! . THE OPEN WAY: THE OPEN WAY WEBSITE AND LANGUAGE
.
Hellooo JOHN and
ALL!,
I will write a simple sharing here in response to your statement! However, soon, I would like to share a
bit more here or elsewhere in response, because your question ironically leads beautifully into a sharing of what THE OPEN
WAY is as it is shared in two apparant ways as one arising.
I can already see here that it will not be so simple
(as in short) as expected, so you are going to get a bit "more" than you expected!! So Congratulations!!I You are
the first unasking recipient of perhaps more than you care to hear!! !! Often my responses are short, simple, clear.....,
yet this is a nice opportunity for introduction as well.
IAM new to this forum and new on the "scene".
So your question flows into a sharing that I could perhaps use as a response elsewhere or part of an initial sharing of what
THE OPEN WAY is....and yet, it all in some way really addresses to your statement. So thankyou.!
And I have a
feelin, that there will be some explainin (sharing) to do to all the "pure nondualists",and your question is the
first hint of that and IAM excited to clarify! Pure nonduality can also be just a concept arising in the openness. Especially,
when apparantly "owned" can appear to create seperateness, no difference from anything else akin that arises. AND
yet , interestingly, we never relatively really know what anything is for or where it will lead!! At least we appear to be
facing in the right direction. And yet, as I stated to Claudia. Is there in truth a "right" or "wrong"
direction. Or any direction or location at all!! And "who" cares!!! (Cliche- Had to say it, everyone does)
So anyway.....FINALLY AN ANSWER TO YOUR STATEMENT You say:
I think, yes, but we find it doesn't matter
what we want. Openness encompasses everything and the wanting drops away. Openness is where it's at! Very good!
YES! YES Absolutey. ,YES! YES!! What you shared is absolutely true!! (as far as words appear to go). Thankyou for your (the)
clarity!!! Appears to start from a false premise of indivuality too!!! Who is the "we" that identifies with wanting
freedom?? Absolutely the key as liberation is that our individual want is just a story arising now about how we think we should
be... who we think we are...an adopted concept no doubt....and can appear to potentially reinforce a false notion of a seperate
self. ( who we are in truth is just this mysterious openness/awareness)
SO:
NOW THE CONTEXT IN WHICH
THE SENTENCE ON THE OPEN WAY WEBSITE WAS MEANT:
Just change the line: We all want freedom...to ....We all want freedom in the apparant story we call our lives. (Actually I wrote ..We all yearn for freedom which
has a little different flavor to it) ) The way I initially wrote it is because THE OPEN WAY "also" wants to share
in a context for ones that are not as nondual language savy or aware (of no self) in the same way as we (apparantly) are.
So that is out of love and inclusiveness!
Interestingly , I dispell the notion of the personal wanting in the
next paragraph as well if you read carefully. There is more to share in this way as THE OPEN WAY "appears" (only
appears) to be a mixed nondual bag!! So that is how that line seems out of context...you hit on something that will inevitable
come up, so happy to share a little on that now. The love is the true sharing, liberation, openness, freedom. Not the explanation,
(like the details of how and why it is shared that way) however that is inevitably part of sharing for clarity. And has it's
place as we are so engrained with our perspectives, perceptions etc.
So there will be a part on the website that
soley clears this up. And most of the other parts will be pure love of sharing what is true as openness, freedom, liberation.
There will be different areas of sharing for clarity so you will just have to check out the website ,as it expands,to see.
No concerns... as the beauty and simplicity of what is true will not be lost in a cosmic sea. That is why the website will
be in clear sections as to what is specifically shared and where.
And thankyou again...I will definitely change
that first sentence to the above one, as I now see it can be shared more clearly without losing the communication The makeshift
website was put together fast and there are also some other apparant inconsistencies. IAM now first starting to open up and
expand the sharing and give some attention to detail and I look forward to your honest feedback and sharing. And mostly, fostering
or pointing to an honest true opening, doubtless awareness beyond the pointers of opinions!!
Writings, books,
videos, audios of "me" and other mostly nondual teachers will be shared. We have gatherings that I would like to
expand around the world. Starting in Florida and California! THE OPEN WAY is also a doorway (Forum) in genreal for other open
teachers and sharings as well. Links to teachers and forums like this one (now-for-you). An OPEN WAY forum so ones can share.
Radio show, internet and via airways are also shortly to come. Much is dependent on donations for now and yet it is a love
and joy to share as is. And fun to see what appears to arise out of it. Whatever arises.
So this sharing is more
about basic information and apparant structure. Will add more details (and sharing of nonduality or openness as well) on THE
OPEN WAY website soon.
So your short statement did not seem to warrant this long answer, AND yet this allowance
of sharing who IAM is appreciated!! Thankyou for giving me the opportuniy to sway from your quesion somewhat and address it
as well in the form of sharing about THE OPEN WAY. This is perfect and could not be otherwise.
More to share if
you like. Otherwise, I have written much here and will post elsewhere if you like. And of course."I" am not the
"ONE" that knows! Apparant knowing arises and we play the game of you know and I don't!! So nothing special here.
(Out there)
If we correspond again....please to let me know if you would like a short simple sharing as I will
honor that. I initially thought that is what this would be.
So again, more to share posted here or elsewhere.
Well thankyou..now I can use this to copy and paste if there are any questions from others that realate to this. Yes, it happened
to appear that "I" "used" your statement to write a little introduction. I hope you do not mind and that
your statement was responded to properly. I see this in the light of support from you as well. It is not a one way street.
I can feel your spirit and know you are OK with that. We all share, love and open together. And yet, who we are is beyond
even that. I trust that this was enjoyable for you!!
Thankyou.
blessings
be free
Cory
SHARON: Welcome, Cory,
Your site looks really great. I am glad that
you have joined us. THE OPEN WAY: Oh. Bless you. Thankyou. IAM touched
blessings
Cory CAROL: The guy who runs this site may
join the fray soon here.
He cautions that the site is not complete but eventually
plans to have all that's
promised up and running, including
a radio show.
Sounds pretty darned cool! THE OPEN WAY: Thankyou Carol... this
is fun!!
For info.... THE OPEN WAY website will share books, videos, audios, writings, forums, gatherings, radio
show, of me and many others, mostly nondual oriented......yet more than this "stuff" ...is the love and openness
and blessings that we truly are! As the illusion/appearance of who we think we are is seen through!
OOOOH How
wonderful!
So keep checking the website to see what appears!
And I will post here accordingly.
And will sporadically find the time to post and respond here (when able) as it arises in the apparant now moments!!
IAM saying there can potentially be lag time.
blessingsCory CAROL; Welcome,
Cory!!
*waving* THE OPEN WAY: Thank you. What a great forum and system
you have here!
love
cory JOHN: Cory! Don't change a thing! I think it's great. There is definitely
the same wavelength going on in 'you' that I see in 'me'! Openness is the key! THE OPEN WAY: WOW!! That is great!!! Thankyou. Bless you!
Amazing...isn't
it!!!
love
cory HAROLD:
Well, I'll share a good brand of decaf if you'll share what you drink! Once in a while I need a good pick-me-up, might help
me post more or something.. THE OPEN WAY: EXCLLENT!! We all appear to do what we do!! And if it arises for you in that way, wow, a beautiful
expression of an apparant seperate indivdual!! It can simply be a story in your mind about who you are or even who IAM. See
that!! And there will be no "need" to post. Just an enjoyable expression of love with no need to read into anything!!
How free and clear THAT is. This is love.
It is extraordinary!! And yet....it is OK. Even if we appear to need
a fix.. so what... part of the play of life...it is an extraordinary phenomena. .....happening to no one!
Awareness of that allows for seeing it for what it is. Even when it appears that we lose our way and need to recapture it
through posting, drink or whatever. Just a temporary fascination perhaps. Yet....what a blessing see through it all...free
and clear! Even as "it" appears to happen. Do you see what I mean. If so....whooooo hooooo!!
Yes...
I get the humor in this as well!!.... all of this!!
Blessings
Cory HAROLD: Umm, yes - except to express anything on the board there needs to be posts. Of course
we don't have to do it on the board, there's any other number of ways to do it - although I do enjoy it. I don't know if you've
checked out the other posts on here but you might want to do a little sampling here and there - of course there is no "need"
for that either. THE OPEN WAY: There is no right or wrong here .. So IAM sorry if it came across that way...and just to share... I
did not mean "no need to post" ..literally. I was aiming at the fact that posting appears to be enjoyed more when
"needs" as a sense or lack are seen for what they are. (Not necessarily saying that is personally the case for you.)
And yet, we never know where that sense of lack may lead. And, the sense of lack is just what is arising beyond
"our" control. Seeing this is liberation. There are infinite variables, relatively, and so it is an illusion that
we even have any control over those outcomes. So keep posting and relatively, the preference is to do that enjoyable....or
not. Either is OK..(Ironically...seeing this OKness without owning it... is liberation too!) I prefer not to go back and forth,
(just a preference) so I hope my sharings can be simpler and simpler, clearer and clearer. Direct....with the key awareness
of..."who cares". This too is arising NOW as an apparent back and forth. (It's OK!) And can ironically appear to
lead to liberation ...WHO KNOWS! All from a question about posting!! LOL
Blessings
Cory ANDREW: hi cory,
this is from
your site: quote: Love and freedom exist as the natural
state of being!!
this is something i picked up somewhere: If I've never been bound, I can never be liberated.
How could you think that the Self,
Is restricted
to formlessness or imprisoned in form.
welcome
love your energy! THE OPEN WAY: Yes... I would
like to just to sit with that. Often too much is said.
One statement: I will add to your quote... Even the statement,
"Love and Freedom exist as the natural state of being" can appear to be a thought of formlessness. So in a sense,
love and freedom is nothing and everything when no thought or concept owns it.
Too much was said already!!!!
Thankyou
and Thankyou for your "welcome"
Coryis,
ANDREW: i love that word
you could have stopped the sentence there...
..."So in
a sense, love and freedom is" THE
OPEN WAY: Thankyou!ANDREW: Cory wrote:
I do not want to feed the fire in debate so I hope my sharings
can be simpler and simpler, clearer and clearer.you
haven't met frank yet,
whatever you say,
he'll take great pleasure in being against it! THE OPEN WAY: I hope he gets much joy in playing that role. Perhaps there are some good pointers
there too! There always are anyway in the mirror of life. All of it is showing us who we think we are.
It all
comes down to seeing..or not seeing honestly ... then words are spoken. We can kid ourselves going back and forth... or enjoy
ourselves going back and forth!! When awareness is.... there is no need to prove...it all arises (ususally joyfully) NOW.
For no one!! And is really laughable.... the sublte identities that arise!
What I share is not
"THE ANSWER". And all of this, even me saying how truth is a certain way... If looked at clearly... it just arises.
This is liberation!! Then we want to grab it...and make it ours!! Another arising tht is not right or wrong.
And
I think taking a good hard look and seeing there is no one, no "me" doing it.
It is just a thought, story of "me" arising. This is clear seeing. Then no "ONE. is here to apparantly defend
a spiritual point of view. Life simply appears to arise as "points of view" and it is not "who we are".
Do not take this as another concept to agree with of not. LOOK!! And it is clear. Really worth it to STOP, relax, soften,
and take a good honest looking. Isn't that when it always appears to "hit". When we get off the spiritual defense
wagon, the apparant personal use of it.
Even saying teachers are full of crap. Look honestly at your "Self".
Is there a sublte sense of a boundary when saying that. Or need to be right? True honestly with that cannot be replaced. And
when seen, will not arise as any subtle form of defense. Even if it does, in the light of clarity is allowed and seen as not
who you are. Just a thought arising.
Every word can have this sublte boundary, defensiveness.. when saying anything,
even the most true of the truest statements..calling people on thier crap! So let go!! And see honestly. Or subltey get sucked
in. You really know honestly inside when there is contraction or openess!
Do not listen to "me". IAM
full of crap if there is any concept of who I think IAM in relation to this. A subtle trap. ...... It just is. WOW, freedom
is so wonderful... especially when "we" don't creep in and claim it. Just stay FREE and SEE!
Well,that
is all the crap for today! Enjoy
This sharing can go under the category of long preachy answers that do not relate
to the lighthearted statement responded too!! Just happen to be in that mode of sharing today. IAM not is simpler and cleared
mode today. It is elaboration for clarity mode. ... It all drops away anyway.
There appears to be the explanative
Cory and the WOW blow "me" away..it is so simple Cory...both are allowed and loved.
Bless you!! It is
fun to laugh at ourselves!!! There is great wisdom in laughter!!
Warning - I will not defend anything I said!
Too much of a joke to do so seriously!
blessings
CoryI hope he gets much joy in playing that role. Perhaps there are some good pointers there too! There always are anyway
in the mirror of life. All of it is showing us who we think we are.
It all comes down to seeing..or not seeing
honestly ... then words are spoken. We can kid ourselves going back and forth... or enjoy ourselves going back and forth!!
When awareness is.... there is no need to prove...it all arises (ususally joyfully) NOW. For no one!! And
is really laughable.... the sublte identities that arise!
What I share is not "THE ANSWER". And all
of this, even me saying how truth is a certain way... If looked at clearly... it just arises. This is liberation!! Then we
want to grab it...and make it ours!! Another arising tht is not right or wrong.
And I think taking a good hard
look and seeing there is no one, no "me" doing it. It is just a thought, story
of "me" arising. This is clear seeing. Then no "ONE. is here to apparantly defend a spiritual point of view.
Life simply appears to arise as "points of view" and it is not "who we are". Do not take this as another
concept to agree with of not. LOOK!! And it is clear. Really worth it to STOP, relax, soften, and take a good honest looking.
Isn't that when it always appears to "hit". When we get off the spiritual defense wagon, the apparant personal use
of it.
Even saying teachers are full of crap. Look honestly at your "Self". Is there a sublte sense
of a boundary when saying that. Or need to be right? True honestly with that cannot be replaced. And when seen, will not arise
as any subtle form of defense. Even if it does, in the light of clarity is allowed and seen as not who you are. Just a thought
arising.
Every word can have this sublte boundary, defensiveness.. when saying anything, even the most true of
the truest statements..calling people on thier crap! So let go!! And see honestly. Or subltey get sucked in. You really know
honestly inside when there is contraction or openess!
Do not listen to "me". IAM full of crap if there
is any concept of who I think IAM in relation to this. A subtle trap. ...... It just is. WOW, freedom is so wonderful... especially
when "we" don't creep in and claim it. Just stay FREE and SEE!
Well,that is all the crap for today!
Enjoy
This sharing can go under the category of long preachy answers that do not relate to the lighthearted statement
responded too!! Just happen to be in that mode of sharing today. IAM not is simpler and cleared mode today. It is elaboration
for clarity mode. ... It all drops away anyway.
There appears to be the explanative Cory and the WOW blow "me"
away..it is so simple Cory...both are allowed and loved.
Bless you!! It is fun to laugh at ourselves!!! There
is great wisdom in laughter!!
Warning - I will not defend anything I said! Too much of a joke to do so seriously!
blessings
CoryANDREW: hey cory,Cory wrote: WOW, freedom is so wonderful...
especially when "we" don't creep in and claim it. Just stay FREE and SEE!is there such a thing as freedom?
i'm not arguing there may be an experience of it
but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom
is to know bondage
and both sound like the opposite ends
of a dualistic experience
what do you think? ANDREW:
oops, sorry Cory,
I thought i knew something but clearly i was mistaken Quote:
If we retain even the
smallest notion of truth or falsehood, our minds sink into confusion.
Master Taisen DeshimaruTHE OPEN WAY: Firstly....we know nothing!!! Yes, freedom as a relative experience cannot
be without it's opposite. No such thing as true freedom as a concept. (Do not make that into a concept either!) Anything said
can apparantly be reduced to a concept with an opposite. Very true..Thankyou. And yet, who is taking it as a concept and apparantly
doing something with it! I think you have a point though. My wording today does not appear to be precise enough to cut through
illusory postions. Perhaps, some of what I wrote today will cut through the back and forth, the concepts proving themselves.
. Not that there is anything wrong with that. So I will stop here.... and share again soon on this as clarity. When there
is apparantly more "time".
Just stay free and see.. can also appear as a relative statement... this
is where words can "appear" to get in the way. It is not a credo! The sharing, when not taken conceptually can be
looked at as not trying to get somewhere or to an ideal of what freedom is. But to just to see where they point to. My languaging
was not the best...to clarify that at this time.... will do so again at another moment!
Blessings
Be Free
Cory
THE OPEN WAY: OK. THIS IS THE MOMENT! "I"
apparantly hit the refresh button!! Clarity speaks!! Yet remains silent and shares the video below which is enough!! Enjoy!!
All the nonduality that "appears" like dualistic expressions is clarified here. Apparantly picking out
dualistic tendencies in expressions is on the mark no doubt. But it is just the words you are pointing to and perhaps would
enjoy taking a clear look and see if this does not create a perpetual fixing as well. Do not know if that is true for you
and would prefer that it is not taken personally. We all appear to do it!!
This clarity is shared to ALL. Not
by anyone, and nobody even just said that either!! Does that coever all bases? Or is it perpetual?
So now, apparant
correction occurs out of clarity and perhaps enjoyment. No perpetual fixing dualisitc tendecies! Can rest!!! And sharing......happens!
(apparently).
Wish I did not always have to say apparantly but in truth "I"..... AM not saying it!! And "I"
never shared anything. It is hoped that ALL apparant avenues to alleviated dulaistic tendencies is covered.
But
who hopes that and what is coverd. Who cares who hopes that just let it be. Is there a you and letting it be? Let what be?
We do not control anything, All just arises. Says "WHO"? Arises as opposed to what?? Who wants to know the question
arises as opposed to what? Does any of this even mean anything? WHy...should it NOT mean anything. Does THAT mean something
to you? Why this urgency to explain if all is freedom?? Oh, explaining just arises but for no one. Oh is that "your"
philosophy. Philosophy for who, is that not just another dualisitic comment. What do "you" have to prove. Who do
you think you are? "Who" is asking who do I think IAM.
There is an appearance of an individual easily getting sucked into all this.
Could not resist that
last paragraph as a joke (and sharing message) for ALL. It all STOPS with undeniable clear seeing. And...it is not said that
it HAS to stop.
(Please ....no perpetual comments on that statement)
Nice if "others watch this
video too. It is so key that I think I will copy and paste this and make it the first post that "I" actually initiate
on now-for-you!.
THE THREAD FOR SCOTT KILOBY VIDEO IS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2pCT3BDB1E&feature=related watch part 1 too!
LOOK OPENLY WITHOUT TAKING POSITION AND CLARITY OCCURS!!
So
now all that can be shared here in response to your statement which follows:
is there such a thing as freedom?
i'm not arguing there may be an experience of it
but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom
is to know bondage
and both sound like
the opposite ends of a dualistic experience
what do you think?
THE
RESPONSE IS THAT THIS QUESTION ONLY ARISES AS A THOUGHT IDENTIFIED WITH FOR AN ILLUSORY SEPERATE SELF!! Watch the video
and this can be clear!
ONE MORE THING!!: NO MATTER WHAT IMAGE ARISES ABOUT YOUR PAST POSTINGS OR LIFE. IT IS ALWAYS
JUST A THOUGHT ARISING NOW ABOUT WHO YOU ARE. THIS IS FREEDOM....NOT FROM SOMETHING..ALL IS AS IS......ALWAYS IS.... AND IT
HAPPENS TO BE THAT FREEDOM IS THE NATURAL STATE!! HIT THE REFRESH BUTTON! IT WILL JUST APPEAR TO HAPPEN THAT WAY ANYWAY, WHETHER
YOU CHOOSE TO OR NOT!
Here is a quote that Scott Kiloby just send me as a sharing
on this topic: He put very clearly and concisely what IAM looking to share here!
My sense is that freedom
is the opposite of bondage, but only to dualistic thought, which you seem to be saying. Nonduality is beyond that (but includes
that) dualism. So there is a freedom that the dualistic mind can never know. You call it openness. That's as good a word as
any. Every words has a dualistic opposite so no word is 'it.' The mind can stay trapped in these dualisms forever, like being
caught in a hall of mirrors or a rat going around a wheel. The intellect will never grasp 'This' as you know. It will only
get caught in words, missing what the words are pointing to. The mind just likes to take positions and argue with those that
don't agree. That is its goal. That is what it is supposed to do. But words can point the mind out of its positions about
nonduality, and into an openness that is not a position. Thanks, good hearing from you.
From Cory - This is as clear as a statement on this as there can be! Let us read it with openness
and earnestness.
And know that it is ALL in the openness to direct seeing that quesitons and doubts do not arise.
Blessings
Cory
www.theopenway.org
BRIAN: Cory wrote: You really know honestly inside
when there is contraction or openess!Yep, that's the key, regardless of how it appears
on the "outside". Cory wrote: Well,that is all the crap for today! Enjoy
slurp... slurp...slurp... BELCH! Ahhhhhh. *looks around* That's allCory Wrote: This sharing
can go under the category of long preachy answers that do not relate to the lighthearted statement responded too!! Just happen
to be in that mode of sharing today
Or it
could be... just fine as it is. Share away. Thanks. Cory
Wrote: Bless you!! It is fun to laugh at ourselves!!!
There is great wisdom in laughter!!
Yes!
Cory Wrote: Warning - I will not defend anything I said! Too much of a joke to do so seriously! Will you do it non-seriously then? THE OPEN WAY: Anything can "appear" to happen... SO keep an "I" out and
enjoy!!
cory BRIAN: Ouch, that
might hurt!
BRIAN:Andrew worte; i'm not arguing there may be an experience of itCory, please say hello to our resident professor Andrew. He will now teach you about freedom.Andrew wrote: but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom
is to know bondage In his spare time, Andrew enjoys a bit of Andrew wrote: and both sound like the opposite ends of a dualistic
experienceunlike the non-dualistic "experience". Duh! THE OPEN WAY: (AND FOR ANDREW) THANKYOU BLUE!! THAT
IS GREAT!! I STATED EARLIER,..EITHER SEEING IS... OR NOT. IN TRUTH IT NEVER LEFT. SO EASY NOT TO LOOK AT WHAT WORDS ARE "POINTING"
TO. CLARITY SHOWS... NO PROBLEM HERE.
THE CORACLE... A/K/A CORY
THE OPEN WAY: It was suggested somewhere here in this forum that "i" share more "stuff"
lol ... so here it is!!1.. . more stuff! THE OPEN WAY.. open sharing with
friends and Scott Kilogy link: You asked for it! More stuff!! Enjoy in
the lightest open way. Again, I will not defend any of this as who IAM. It is only a thought in awarness NOW. Not even a real
past! It is in the category of clarity as to what THE OPEN WAY is. Not under.. "pure direct sharing".
I will not give Scott's response but paraphrase it here: He simply replied to my statement that: Usually nondualists are
either relative or such purists, but that puritism also becomes a nondual ideal and not true nondual openness.
and Scott
said "That is the key..isn't it". And also said that he can feel the honest, open, sharing of my website and to
continue sharing openly like that. And he also said.... "Words flow freely"!!
That is really cool!!
This whole forum can be seen as a "free" arising as well when there is clarity that no one owns it...it is all a
joy!! An apparant happening AS IS! And yet within the play... we share, we appear to correct etc. That can have apparant valuable
perhaps and be freeing or and "apparant trap" and still.....words flow freely!... in truth regardless - never forgeting
the arising in "free awareness" that it truly is )
OK here it is below: Your openness and availablity
to share with is a blessing...thankyou. Remember, this whole apparant precription I have about how "IT" is ....
is known as part of the "Appearance"! THat is the enjoyable play!! And yet points beyond as well!! Read...and then
move on!!
Hi Scott,
Just wanted to share this email that I have shared with some "nondual"
friends with you as many do not understand the inclusiveness of apparant mixed dualistic sharings. All your sharings bring
great clarity and yet I chose the "Life Living Itself" one to share with friends because it sheds some clarity on
sharings that occur "here". Otherwise, I find your other videos even more direct! And I ordered your book as well.
This sharing here arises out of nondual awareness and yet it is found interesting, even relatively, the potential
of other paths having the opportunity to embrace this as well or not.
So while there is really no subscription
to any path, And a knowing that freedom is not dependant on a vested intierest in others "getting it"... the listed
ones on my website are a way of simply saying to them..."IAM here" and if this nondual expression resonates...then
wonderful and if not, fine. And also for what is stated in the below email as well.
My website is a little more
tangible as it shares specifically some mixed dualistic paths as well. No need to resist that and yet they are not fully subscribed
to as well. Partally a means of directing attention as well as a love and allowance of the appearances. The ones (paths) that
support, nurture and allow for openness, oneness, even relatively are enjoyable and satisfying in that way but of course that
enjoyment is not exclusive to any other "arisings". And ultimately there is no getting around what true liberation
is!!!
I am a bit surprised at this detailed explanation here and yet it is seen as simply another arising thought.
No need for confirmation as liberation is what it is. I think there is just a curiousity as to the resonance I feel between
your sharing and mine which just arises beautifully as what it is with no ownership.
So my makeshift website which
is just a page on a friends site for now is
www.theopenway.org
IAM in the process of enhancing it with some sharings and audio/video from me as well as
others, etc. Would love to put yours there too!! All from honest openness without potentially making an ideal or mockery of
it!!
Thankyou for your sharings... they are remarkable and really part of a recent group of clear expressions
that leave no where to go. Only to be extrordinarily ordinarily free as awareness-obviously not identified with the erronous
thoughts (of I) that arise.
I honor the pure expressions that do not allow to apparantly go off on tangents with
other ideas or paths as well. (A seeker of something out there (nondual,whatever) causing apparant seperation now). And when
whollly explained, my sharing actually gears toward not allwoing that either. As a matter of fact, it is the direct expressions
that is what allows clarity "here"!! How apparantly ironic!! So nothing, in truth ,is added to anything as a spiritual
expression as there is nowhere to go and this is it!! And yet...THE OPEN WAY happens/arises!! As an interesting phenomena
not identified with too seriously. And yet this "journey" is enjoyed.
Well,....the core of my sharing
usually does not have this subtle feel of justifying (the below email too) but your video just struck that cord.....so I guess
I will just move on with it!!
Thankyou again for the sharings. Any comments and sharings from you on this in any
form are truly welcome. And again, ironically, this apparantly justifying explanation mode is not the usual mode of sharing
here. The intention is not to suck you into that. But knowing the absolute joy of liberation! Which is seen here much as described
in a chapter of your book that shares a story of openness (apparant experience). That is seen here all too well!!
Below is the email sent to some freinds:
Email to freinds:
The following explanation/sharing is simply
an arising thought which is just happening!! Just thought it interesting to share. No one...will "defend" it!!!
It is understood that your expression would probably simplify this and that is beautiful. I look forward to seeing you again
very soon!
Hi Clara,
Excited to share this video as it comes the closest to how I share THE OPEN WAY
as "integration without compromise" that I have come across. Not exactly the way I would express it however.
Usually nondualists are either relative or such purists, but that puritism also becomes a nondual ideal and not true
nondual openness. I will not bother elaborating here becuase you know I can go on with it extensively. ...But why.... So enjoy
it and I hope there is some interesting clarification and opening here!!
It might be the first time I heard it
expressed in quite this open way and that is exciting. And no compromise as awareness that we are. And no "one"
to compromise!
So I thought this was a unique expression, one that really.. I have only seen expressed in this
way by THE OPEN WAY/"me". Yet in my expression there are some more variables in the inclusiveness of the arising
apparant spiritual paths as thoughts in awareness now. All of what is true, certainly transcends any point of view as "my"
expression anyway.... or how "I" go about it as THE OPEN WAY and all. As "my" expression arises only in/as
it. And is in truth not even "mine". As it is only a concept that I own it or that even the "I" is who
IAM in truth.. (More words to perhaps confuse you!!)
Well, that's it. Choose to watch or not. It might not seem
dynamic or mind blowing and actually at first, I would not watch him because his mannerisms seem a little neurotic and stressed.
Yet that is just a perception. And now I see his clarity primarily and his expression simply as the way his personality continues
to emote.
Liberation does not always appear as smiles and vacant stares!! That is the beauty of this apparant
diversity and true liberation which allows (apparantly) all to "be"!!
Yes indeed, will step down off
soapbox now. Amazing clarity has arisen here and apparant loss of it sometimes and yet it is known that the apparant loss
arises only in the amazing clarity!!! As a thought of loss only and not actuality. And so liberation is never truly lost.
I am happy for this video because it is often misunderstood that THE OPEN WAY expression of nonduality has compromised
something by being apparantly inclusive and allowing in apparant support of the arisings of spiritual paths.
While
it's goal is not necessarily to empower limitations within these paths. (those that do not "see the whole picture")
,it would like to encourage and enhance what is powerfully nondual to the (apparaent) degree that they arise within them,
If that comes in the form of clarification and correction of identification with limitation in spirituality..then
beuatiful. If it comes as an allowance and love of the appearance "as is" well...JUST AS BEAUTIFUL.... is this play
of diversity. And when it is simply happening without the illusion of the self center idenified with it...well.... the beauty
goes beyond even the one that appreaciates it!!! The free awareness is and always is... and again, if that manifests as an
apparant person enjoying that.... well...that is a relative allowance that THE OPEN WAY just loves to play the game of support
with!!!
Note: I think Obama's speech got me going tonight!!!
So I will spare you now ( with what might
sound really abstract perhaps)... after all is said, you potentially might not even like the video!! Or what I shared for
that matter!! And I actually can understand why (much explanation mode in video) .... yet..check out the video at:
http://www.kiloby.com/ and click the LIfe LIving Itself video!
Coming across many more cool sharings lately while
knowing none of them are needed as "the Answer" for what is already who IAM. And yet these sharings (videos) still
arise and are enjoyed.
Blessings HAROLD: You talk funny. THE OPEN WAY: nonduality talk can sound funny and foreign and abstract
until true seeing occurs!! It is languaging for ones who are open to sharing and see what is true and is used in this forum
only!! Are you sure you are in the right place/forum?? if the intention is to "see" then it does not sound funny
and can be very freeing. And everyone has a right to have their own filters. It is meant for ears that can hear. That understand
this apparant abstraction. One man's confusion is another man's clarity. HAROLD: Hmm, so your understanding of "ears that can hear" requires a special kind of languaging? Why bother
if the rest of the time you use normal language? Do you really believe you need special language to convey this? Or is it
a matter of ears that can hear, in spite of the language used? I guess that's why I don't bother saying "I'm just playing"
because I figure it's a matter of hearing..
Have fun with the language, not big on it myself but I'm sure you'll
find others who like to play that game.
THE OPEN WAY:
You are beautifully subtle. Never quite know where you are coming from. I could answer every statement you made with clear
answers. but what is the sense. Just to reinforce positions. If you urgently need answers, then I will answer if you like.
I do not sense you are in this forum for that. Perhaps there are others that DO want to play that way here...so have fun.
Perhaps I came on a little strong in response to you because I do not believe the sharing was heard or understood or that
you are really interested and you do not need to be. Your answer showed that.
So enjoy the forum
And
have fun doing what you do.
BRIAN: P.S. Funny interaction with heybuddy. My opinion on it, for what it's
worth, is that he has a good point. The way we speak can be more or less accessible to people in general. And I've found that
in the past when I've received feedback from others that my communication wasn't easily accessible to them (whether it was
the style or the complexity of the message) then it was an opportunity for me to take a closer look at it. I could easily
say... "it flows as it flows and I'm not interested in changing it." That's true, perhaps. But sometimes looking
closer I could sense a resistance there... like something wanting to dig in and become stubborn. Maybe what comes from a seemingly
outside source is there FOR ME as a cue to come closer, to become more accessible, to JOIN more and communicate in such a
way that serves rather than alienates.
In reading your messages I can sense what you're saying... but there's
also a lot of sifting through. Again, just my take on it. I still "get you" regardless.
THE OPEN WAY:
Yes. Absolutely. IAM new to this forum and came on like a powerhouse. Cleaning up misnomers in every response etc. There is
definitely a place for that here for perspective and awareness.
And I do understand the different languaging thing.
I agree that I can try to trim the quotes. and I want to soften responses in some way as I mention, simpler, direct etc.
Here is my take on the languaging thing... it appears to work in many ways. When speaking with ones that do not quite
get the languaging, it is definietly helpful to use regular terms or even see that there is no need to prove or change ones
that don't "get it".
And there is beauty, love and openness in everyone (and every "thing")
whether they apparantly get it or not. Just who they are and what they express is a gift!! No one has to change to a nondual
point of view. As a matter of fact it is hard to see the beauty of who they are if there is that constant nondual "filter"!!
THhnkyou for the loving way in which you shared. Another thing on the languaging. I think the nondual languaging
is key for many "of understanding". They are at a point where other ways of expression are luke warm.and like this
direct expression which for others seem abstract or too involved or intellectual sounding. THe bottom line is ..does it foster/share
openness.
It is like...ones that speak baseball lingo might find it hard to share with ones that do not understand
baseball. And too speak powerfully and see clearly on it, that languaging fits best.
But , yes, freedom is not
reserved for a special group of special languaging alone. It is just useful for those that are ready..."in that way".
I think for most people in this forum, even though, yes. it can be trimmed and simplified. The language works
and is on target. (Although perhaps, I overwhelmed them bit!!!) And interestingly...it is true. I have found that it can be
shared with ones that do not know the languaging. Being really clear in how to fashion the words. Or just being who we are,
..hones , open and loving without the sense of boundary! People pick up on that!
But most of all!! Living life
and enjoying life is not about just speaking nonduality. It is moreso about Being and as that being it is wonderful to freely
share and be in this world without the old notions of who we thought we were. The freedom in seeing...the flexiblity in enjoying
all AS IS.
And of course the knowing the true nature of how it arises. Not as philosophy. This is extraordinary.
(Which just happens to be the false sense of "me"/self... that appears to create a false boudnary and restriction
on the open awareness that we truly are) . Ironically, we become more alive, even as the personality in this world, as we
no longer get in our own way!!
So... who knows how the commication arises or where it is best fit. No hard rules
necesarily. And again, more enjoyable to "be" and just share if that is what happens from the joy of being, not
the proving to be right about it with the mind. And that is what I mostly started out addressing, was this crucial distinction
and ironically appeared to fall into exceesive explaining as well.
Now it might continue, who knows. (and actually
has!! here in this response! but this one warrnts that) ....and thankyou for the "greenlgiht!!! But absolutey want it
to be from the amazing true loving place that is so clear here. And not from how much "I" know.
I happen
to still think that the languaging that I use, although can be trimmed is direct for those that can hear and if we have come
this far as to know what nonduality is, then certainly the language serves. So , it is true, we have to realise who we are
speaking with. Hey...the topic could be baseball, enoyable and still the openeness is shared because of who you are being..(or
arising as).
So to sum up...
Realise who we are speaking to
Have no need to prove... just enjoy
"being" the expression when clarity is seen
As that enjoyment, it will be expressed AS IS, however that is,
yet usually there is a sensitivity to the apropriate type of expression.
I could go on but won't. It is onlg already...but
glad some of this is clered up at least.
I would like to share openely and also enjoy the humor however a constant bantor
without openness to honestly see can lead to fixing and constant polarity. If that is felt appropriate here, than fine. I
know there are set rules in life. I can enjoy it yet love and opennes can be displace with constant undermining as the intention.
I hopw that stays in an appropriate place in this forum within the areas of ones that appreciate that.
I cannot
say how long some of my responses will be but will heed this sharing and awareness, for effectiveness in communication. Most
of all, to be done out of real love, honesty and openness, truth.. and perhaps that will naturally shorten replies... Who
knows... Carry on!! Thankyou for the care and love in which you expressed yourself!
Note: I intentionally wanted
your whole quote here prior to my reply.
The interaction with hey buddy was funny!! I reacted and pointed my finger!!...He
inevitably had a point in where it lead to but his direct expression was off centered for me. And it is absolutely OK! Can
appear to get sucked into personal drama. That is such a game. And can appear to cloud what is true. The game happens, but
wonderful to see it from "clarity" Which , here , means, we are not that and we appear to be that. So something
was seen "here". Not sure if there is clarity "there", but there does not need to be!
But
will look closely at one of the bottom lines, but need not be for everyone...accessability. Just originallly thought that
my expression served that and still think it does except for the tirmming, simplicity thing which I can agree with.
Much of what is written here are personal presciptions...and that is OK. And yet pointing beyond the personal is a pure
sharing that is sometimes over looked and actually points directly to the source.
Thanks again for your openness
and "patience"!!
Blessings
BRIAN: QUOTE:
I find anymore that life is like a beautiful melody of openness and acceptance... within
which appear invitations for change... suggestions... pointers... which are of course part of the melody... whether acted
upon or not... and the melody plays on... and is always just as beautiful as before. ANDREW: I
personally am enjoying very much your contribution to this forum.
As you've noted there are some people who would
have "preferences" with regard to how "others" should post
Many people have pee-ed on my parade
over the years i've been posting here, so you sorta get used to it
They mean well, it's just a matter of acclimatizing
yourself to the general thrust of the group
Having said that, i absolutely and wholeheartedly suggest you continue
on as you like and let others take from your posts what they will.
Complete openness and acceptance is not a reality
here yet, we're still working on that
ANDREW:
Andrew Quote: is there such a thing as freedom?
i'm not arguing there may be an experience of it
but it seems to me the only way you can know freedom
is to know bondage
and both sound like the
opposite ends of a dualistic experience
what do you think? THE OPEN WAY Quote: THE RESPONSE IS THAT THIS QUESTION ONLY ARISES AS A THOUGHT IDENTIFIED WITH
FOR AN ILLUSORY SEPERATE SELF!!
Andrew: great
answer! BRIAN: Andrew
wrote: As you've noted there are some people who would have "preferences" with regard to how "others"
should post Brian: (unlike Ammy who has no such preferences,
even though he may communicate such indirectly in a passive aggressive manner) Andrew
wrote: Many people have pee-ed on my parade over the years i've been posting here, so you sorta get
used to it Brian: Poor Ammy... what he has to endure from the unconscious
masses!
Andrew wrote: They mean well, it's just a matter of acclimatizing yourself to the general thrust
of the group
Brian: Oh yes, the general unenlightened thrust that one is subjected to when one is above
it all.
Andrew wrote: Complete openness and acceptance is not a reality here yet
Brian:
For all DEM OTHERS. Ammy knows because he can tell these things when observing DEM OTHERS.
Andrew wrote:
... we're still working on that
Brian: Yeah, Ammy is still working on teaching us. He's slacking though.
Andrew:
i watched the video, it was very good
it reminded me of this: The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal
Name.
ANDREW: as you can see Cory...
you never know when a huge painbody
is
going to clamp down and take a chunk out of your ass lol BRIAN:
You know what I find interesting, Ammy, is your perception that this is painbody behavior. Maybe it is. How do we tell? Does
painbody look a certain way? Does Presence look a certain way? Does it act a certain way?
One thing I see... or
rather sense... is that I felt peaceful while typing the response to you. Yes, I definitely smelled bullshit in your post
and the response came as a call to see the bullshit. But I felt peaceful. Am I actually deluded? Was there a painbody reaction
and I simply didn't recognize it? That's a possibility, of course, and I'm open to see that.
But it could also
be that you see it a certain way that is in error. It could be that you can't see and don't wish to see the bullshit that
you spew. Not that it's a problem. And perhaps I'm in your business, erroneously. Am I? I was under the impression you were
open to pointers. Perhaps I was wrong. Feel free to correct that perception at any time and I will certainly stop.
And also here, where you quoted me "I find anymore that life is like a beautiful melody of openness and acceptance...
within which appear invitations for change... suggestions... pointers... which are of course
part of the melody... whether acted upon or not... and the melody plays on... and is always just as beautiful as before."
The way in which you quoted me suggests that what I said here somehow wasn't in line with the response to you.
And yet, I see that it applies perfectly.
So... here we are. What say you?
ANDREW: i say thank you BRIAN: Ok cool. In that case I won't hold back on whatever response naturally arises when it comes
to you. And feel free not to hold back anything either. THE OPEN WAY: "I"
will go with that one too Amadeus, (thankyou Blue) Painbody can be a concept too, another story attached to the mysterious
arisings! (And even assumes duality). And it is even harder to say for sure whether that is an actuality for an apparant other.
If there is apparant relative agreement on it, then perhaps we can act "as if" within the story for communication.
Can even be helpful somehow. (Unless it reinforces) But always, as awareness that we make it all up! The ultimate liberation
is everthing arising out of nothingness. (nothingess/everthingness) And never really know what anything is!!!!
And...thankyou
for the painbody statement. A good laugh, so there "was" some realitve resonance there anyway!
Note:
I think the painbody concept from Eckhart Tolle has relative value for many. It loosens the sense of me "for some".
(but subtley continues it) Appears to create space to "be" relaltively. And often from there, ones (apparantly)
see a possiblility move into "Direct" seeing. All this is in the appearance. Another story that appears to work
somewhat relatively. Or another apparant trap (no traps to buy into in truth). But overall, as lvoe, nurturance, support,
openness, etc... it appears like good work. All while never forgetting it's true (apparantly) limited nature. MUST STOP HERE!
THE OPEN WAY: Andrew wrote: as you can see Cory...
you never know when
a huge painbody
is going to clamp down and take a chunk out of your ass THE
OPEN WAY: FUNNY! lol - came out of left field. and so what!! "who" is going to create a story and hold onto
that NOW! Could not have happened any other way! There is no image to uphold? It would only be a thought arising now about
who I think IAM. Openness/awareness, the true nature, is untouched. THis is no denial of what "appears" to happen (ie: the painbody concept) and yet clear seeing is "true" and sees it for what
it is. So this "ONE" sees through that story and allows whatever arises to "BE" . It sounds like an ideal for comfort (What IAM expressing about illusion of painbody) as it appears that we can
so easily fool ourselves using truth as an ideal. But just sharing what is so.
Thankyou for your kind words in
the other post and "HERE"!!
Love
Cory
BRIAN: Continuing the
conversation... Thank you Cory. I hear what you're saying about the subtleties... and going past the concepts, even those
that are relatively helpful such as that of the Pain Body. At some point the seeing takes us deeper, as you say, into DIRECT
seeing. And all simply IS. And without judgment... who knows what anything is for, right? If "I" don't claim it.
If "I" don't pull it in, or push it away. If "I" don't identify with it. If "I" don't care what
"you" think of it. Then... wisdom reigns. Eh? THE
OPEN WAY: BEAUTIFULLY SAID - THEN WISDOM/AWARENESS/ALLOWING/OPENNESS REIGNS OR "IS'.
ONE THING TO SHARE - AS YOU WELL KNOW AND AS I STATED. THIS IS ONE WAY THAT IT APPEARS TO WORK WITHIN TIME - AS IN THE "IF.....THEN""
IN YOUR STATEMENT
HOW CAN I SAY IT HERE HMMMM...? OK HERE IT IS....- I HONOR THE RELATIVE APPEARANCE OF EVEN THIS
(CANNOT DO OTHERWISE) - AND YET THIS JUST HAPPENS TOO. AND..... WE WILL APPEAR TO PLAY WITHIN THAT RELATIVE FIELD AS WELL.
IT APPEARS TO POINT TO TRUE OPENNESS "CLEARER" AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ANYTHING IS FOR?
THIS IS "THE
OPEN WAY" (AS IF "THE OPEN WAY" IS A "POSITION" AND I CAN OWN THAT). AND MIGHT NOT BE AGREED WITH
BY ONES THAT FEEL....WHY EVEN GO THERE? AND YET I WILL NOT BUY INTO DEFENDING EVEN THIS AS A POSITION! THAT'S ALL!!
NOTE: ONE THING ABOUT THE OPEN WAY - (AND SORRY TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT BUT I FEEL IT IS VALUABLE TO SHARE) - IT SEES THROUGH IT'S OWN GAME AND YET ALSO SAYS - WHY NOT? ....IF IT IS EVEN RELATIVELY SUPPORTIVE, OPENS TO
AWARENESS, ALLOWS SPACE TO BE... IT IS GOOD ....AND FALLS WITHIN THIS REALM LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE "DO" AND
IS ALLOWED.
WE "APPEAR" TO DO RELATIVELY (ONE ASPECT ACKNOWLEDEGED BY THE OPEN WAY) ..... AND YET THE
OPEN WAY POINTERS CAN LEAD OUT OF THE DUALITY "AND" NONDUALITY "TRAP" (AS IF)...AS WELL. THE VALUE OF THE OPEN WAY DEPENDS ON WHERE AWARENESS/ATTENTION/SEEING IS. THERE CAN BE MUCH BACK AND FORTH ABOUT
THIS AND YET POSITIONS "HERE" WILL NOT BE TAKEN. (BUT APPEAR TO).... IT IS OK!!!
THE APPEARANCE OF "THE
OPEN WAY" CAN "LOOK" LIKE THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRACY ..OR ...THE ULTIMATE EMBRACING/ INTEGRATION....AND YET IT
IS ALSO ALL SEEN AS PART OF THE REALM OF THE "STORY" APPEARING AS WHO WE ARE. AND YET, ONE CAN SUBTLEY COME IN AND
DEFEND "ANYTHING"!!!!
I THINK HERE IS WHERE "HONESTY" IS KEY ( OR REIGNS!) AND I MUST SAY,
THE BOTTOM LINE IS TO 'ULTIMATELY' NOT MAKE "THE OPEN WAY"INTO A POSITION AND SO WILL CONSISTANTLY SHARE CLARITY
ON THAT. ("WORDS" INCLUDING "THE OPEN WAY" ARE INHERENTLY POSITIONS AS WELL AND PART OF THIS RELATIVE
EXPERIENCE THAT APPEARS IN OPENNESS)
I WOULD LIKE HOWEVER, SUPER CLEAR AWARENESS, NOT TO BUY INTO IT AS "ANOTHER"
DOCTRINE. (WHICH INEVITABLY WILL HAPPEN FOR SOME ANYWAY)( AND YES, IT IS ALL OK "AS IS" AS WELL - SEEING THAT ALSO
IRONICALLY RELEASES REINFORCED POSITIONS AS DOCTRINES).
WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL THAT THE PULL OF THIS APPARANT WORLD
WOULD PREFER TO MAKE THIS INTO ANOTHER RELIGION, DOCTRINE, POSITION. THE OPEN WAY WILL CONSISTANTLY BRING THIS TO AWARENESS
AND INHERENTLY DISMANTLE THESE NOTIONS AS WELL.
AGAIN, I KNOW I BROUGHT THE OPEN WAY INTO THE MIX HERE AGAIN,
WHICH ACTUALLY NEED NOT BE, YET YOUR GREAT STATEMENT SIMPLY BEGGED FOR THIS KIND OF SHARING AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
FUTURE RESPONSES WILL SOMETIMES MENTION THE OPEN WAY AND SOMETIMES NOT!! BUT PREFERABLY ALWAYS IN THE LIGHT OF
CLARITY.
THE OPEN WAY SHARINGS, ON THE WEBSITE OR WHEREVER WILL HAVE A SECTION FOR EXPLANATIONS SUCH AS THIS.
YET THE PURE SHARINGS WILL NOT GO THERE..(AS MUCH). AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE THIS DISTINCTION TO BE CLEAR.
ALL
THIS BEING SAID...THERE IS ONE UNDENIABLE TRUTH THAT 'I" KNOW ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE...... I SHOULD NOT HAVE USED CAPS (UPPER
CASE) HERE!
THANKYOU FOR HEARING ME OUT! (A BIT LONG - SHARINGS WILL GET SHORTER..I SWEAR!!)
BRIAN:
THE OPEN WAY Wrote; IT SEES THROUGH IT'S OWN GAME AND YET ALSO SAYS - WHY NOT?
Brian: I totally love that! Right on! Yes, that's
the key. Do we see the game of it while we're playing AND continue to play anyway?
Both elements are important... to SEE and to CONTINUE. One thing that's clear to me is that as long as we're "on earth"
we're in the game. NOT playing is not an option, despite what we might tell ourselves. And if we believe it is an option to
not play then the best we can do is to play the game called "Not Playing the Game"... and then fail to see that
we're playing that JOHN: Yes.
I love that summation. I don't usually love that actual situation! Sometimes I sincerely wish to not 'play the game' and then
I must examine my honesty, to see if I am trying to 'play' other people.
This is coming out to me right now as
I type, that there is a difference between having a playful attitude towards life, which is a child-like playing in the sandbox.
And then there is the competition driven whose idea of 'play' is only how they can 'play' people or situations to get what
they want.
Consciously, I want the sandbox!
THE
OPEN WAY: THE VALUE OF THE OPEN WAY DEPENDS ON WHERE AWARENESS/ATTENTION/SEEING IS.
THERE CAN BE MUCH BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS AND YET POSITIONS "HERE" WILL NOT BE TAKEN. (BUT APPEAR TO).... IT IS
OK!!! Brian: Yes... LOL!... the positions will not be taken but appear to... and it's OK! And how can anyone "outside" of us know?
They can't. Unless they're in tune, in the same space... and then the inner knowing will alert them. But otherwise, it's all
an "inner" phenomenon. We know whether or not we're really taking positions by the feel of the inner body, so to
speak. We know when we're open. When we're honest... we know.
THE OPEN WAY: I THINK HERE IS WHERE "HONESTY"
IS KEY ( OR REIGNS!) AND I MUST SAY, THE BOTTOM LINE IS TO 'ULTIMATELY' NOT MAKE "THE OPEN WAY"INTO A POSITION Brian: Honesty is one key. Yes. But also, sometimes honesty
isn't possible when there's no clarity. We can't be honest when the self-delusion completely obscures vision. And that's why
I feel a bigger key  is humility. And that's really at the heart of openness, isn't it? Humility says "This
perception may be wrong", and "I don't know", and "I'm willing to see".
THE OPEN WAY:
I WOULD LIKE HOWEVER, SUPER CLEAR AWARENESS, NOT TO BUY INTO IT AS "ANOTHER" DOCTRINE. Brian: Yes I'd like super clear awareness
as well, but the reality of it is that awareness is as it is. It comes when it comes and in the way it comes and to the degree
that it comes. And so I guess what I'd like, ultimately, is WHAT IS, awareness or not, remaining open to see but being willing
to not see as well. It's not "my" show, after all.
THE OPEN WAY: ALL THIS BEING SAID...THERE
IS ONE UNDENIABLE TRUTH THAT 'I" KNOW ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE...... I SHOULD NOT HAVE USED CAPS (UPPER CASE) HERE! Brian: LOL!
LANA: Why not?
All of life in in capslock isn't it?
BIG,
BOLD, BEAUTIFUL, BODACIOUS & mind-BLOWING!
JOHN: I just feel like examining the process for a moment...
It seems like we've been brainwashed our whole lives (by whom is another topic!)
into being separated from who
and what we really are.
And we feel somehow lacking, that our life is meaningless, and we're scared.
Someone tells us, or somehow we 'hear' it, that it would be good to become acquainted with the inner self.
So
we set out as seekers, looking for tips and tricks, methods to talk with and get to know our inner self.
We alternate
from religion to psychology to spirituality to philosophy-- it's all interchangeable, and it all falls short.
Nothing
can really tell us who and what we really are.
And people tell us, "Yes, that's right! Only you can discover
who you really are!" But we can't make any sense out of that statement.
It seems like nonsense. But we keep
at it.
And gradually, the process of opening up to new ideas leads us to just plain 'openness'. Simply 'openness'.
And we open, and open further.
Like a potter on the spinning wheel making a bowl, how big can you
make it, to hold everything?
After a time, it is no longer a bowl.
And then you realize that the form
you were playing with restrained you, but now you are free.
There is no bowl! There is no bowl! No bowl!
We never were the bowl, but what was inside.
Then we finally have found who and what we are, is everything.
Eternal and infinite!
LANA: Or, maybe...we are just figures in a snowglobe.
Stir
it up, little darlin'...... lol JOHN:
My kids love these bouncing glitter balls, have you seen them? Shake 'em like snow globes, or bounce them like a ball, either
way the glitter flies around inside. Cool!
Simple things for simple minds (not my kids, but myself!)
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